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Go to: Richard Dawkins & Lawrence Krauss Tribute to Christopher Hitchens - 2012 Global Atheist Convention

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Comment 37 by richard jr miles :

It is a pity Hitch had to smoke,he might still be with us.

It's not a pity. He was the person that he was. With the consequences that that had. I think we should be glad he was the person that he was. With the consequences that it had.

I admire him greatly. I did not always agree with him (but I mostly did.)

Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:32:48 UTC | #945113

Go to: Norway abolishes state sponsored Church of Norway

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Comment 37 by Philster61 :

There will be a backlash.

No there won't.

I work in Norway and I have seen numbers rise in the religious communities over the years.

I've lived in Norway all my life and my feeling is that "religious communities" are dwindling and that religion is becoming increasingly irrelevant both in numbers and influence.

Religion here is more ingrained in people than they imagine.

How do you know what people imagine? Are people religious without knowing that they are? "I believe in Jesus, I just don't know that I do."?

Baptism, confirmation, marriage and burials are important to people in Norway, just as elsewhere, because birth, becoming a responsible adult, making lasting commitments and dying are important to everyone everywhere. And the church has traditionally supplied the rituals to mark such occasions. It isn't religion that is ingrained in people, it's common human needs, feelings, values, experience, and the facts of life that is.

Its just not as virulent as elsewhere. N0rway is also very conservative and very tightly controlled. Sunday shopping is still a no go.

I think that has just as much to do with labour unions and tradition as it has to do with religion. If you yourself want to have a day off, then you should also realize that the people who keep shops open would like a day off.

And lets not forget that the last Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bøndvik is a Lutheran minister.

That's true. He was educated as a priest. But in spite (or maybe because) of his education he decided to become a politician instead of a priest (if I remember correctly he has never practiced as a priest, but went straight into politics, and was one of the youngest to ever enter parliament). Less than 10% voted for his party. He became prime minister as a compromise candidate (putting pragmatism before principle).

I would be curious to see if this will remain in place a I suspect the Government has alternative motives for this and it is not secularism.

I suspect your suspicions are no more than suspicions.

I have always in principle opposed the state church. But in practice I think it has worked very well. E.g., since the democratically elected government, and not a self-appointed committee of true believers, has been in charge of appointing all bishops, we have female bishops, bishops who support gay marriage, and bishops who think hell (and heaven) are just metaphors. Most members of the state church are just members of the state church the same way they're members of the state economy, the state educational system, the state health care or pensions system, etc.

Fri, 18 May 2012 01:28:04 UTC | #942128

Go to: Dear E. O. Wilson: Please retire or stick to ants

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Before I make up my mind, I would like to see what E.O. Wilson actually said. (I hope he's not suffering from antony flu.)

Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:13:01 UTC | #936339

Go to: Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss: Something from Nothing, at ANU (Canberra Australia)

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Richard has often quoted Johann Hari saying:

I respect you too much to respect your ridiculous beliefs.

At about 48:42 in this video Richard modifies the Hari quote into:

I respect you too much to believe that you could possibly hold those ridiculous beliefs.

I hope Richard is going to continue to use that phrase. I think it's exactly what has to be said.

Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:43:10 UTC | #936322

Go to: 10 Reasons Why We Should Explore The Deep

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A lot of big words in that article, and I agree with all of it, but mostly with reason number 10. To me (and I think a lot of other people, probably including James Cameron) the most important reason why we should explore the deep seas is this:

I'm curious, and I would really like to know what sorts of strange phenomena and organisms exist down there!

Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:41:26 UTC | #931000

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