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Go to: "The nature of human beings and the question of their ultimate origin"

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Way too polite.

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:34:27 UTC | #921150

Go to: In Memoriam: Christopher Hitchens, 1949–2011

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Broke my heart this morning, even though I pretty much knew it was coming. Hitch will continue to be an incredible inspiration to me for, I suspect, the rest of my life. Thank you, Christopher!

I did an Itunes search for Hitchens material, and came across this podcast.

It´s an episode of William Lane Craig´s "Reasonable Faith" podcast from this november. I´m sorry about posting it here, but I really find this stuff so damn disgusting, that I think reasonable people should be aware of it.

I´ll continue to unapologetically demonstrate to the religious exactly why their faith is unfounded, dangerous and really fucking annoying to those of us who actually have some perspective on our surroundings. I´ll have no choice but to go about it in a much more clumsy and inarticulate way than Christopher did, but he´s inspired me to give it all I´ve got never the less.

Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:02:30 UTC | #900025

Go to: Dear Angry Lunatic: a response to Chris Hedges

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Numbers like these from Egypt are just terrifying though:

"30% have a favorable view of Hezb'allah 49% have a positive view of Hamas 20% have a positive view of al Qaeda (72% have a negative view) 19% have a positive view of Osama bin Laden 48% say Islam plays a large role in their country's political life 85% consider Islamic influence over political life to be a positive thing for their country 61% see no struggle between those who want to modernize their country and Islamic fundamentalists 54% support making gender segregation in the workplace the law in their country 82% endorse the stoning of people who commit adultery 77% support whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery 84% support the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion 59% say democracy is preferable to any other kind of government 20% support suicide bombing in defense of Islam 46% say suicide bombings are never justified 61% express concern about Islamic extremism in their country."

Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:49:24 UTC | #855796

Go to: Dear Angry Lunatic: a response to Chris Hedges

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Ok, since no-one is providing any science in this thread, here's a PEW poll. Pretty interesting numbers, and they're far better than earlier years. Countries like Iran and Afghanistan weren't included in the poll because those countries wouldn't allow the polls to be done.

"Do you support suicide bombing against non-combatants in defense of Islam?"

2010: "Muslims in Lebanon and Nigeria are the most likely to say suicide bombings can often or sometimes be justified; nearly four-in-ten Lebanese Muslims (39%) and 34% of Nigerian Muslims say that is the case. In Lebanon, support for suicide bombing is especially pervasive among the Shia population -- 46% say this kind of violence in defense of Islam can often or sometimes be justified, compared with 33% of Sunnis. One-in-five Muslims in Egypt and Jordan offer support for suicide bombing in defense of Islam, as do 15% of Indonesian Muslims. Yet, far more in these three countries say these violent acts are never justified; 46% of Muslims in Egypt and a majority in Jordan (54%) and Indonesia (69%) reject suicide bombings. Jordanian and Egyptian Muslims express somewhat more support for suicide bombing than they did in 2009, when 12% and 15%, respectively, said violence against civilians was justified in order to defend Islam. Compared with 2002, however, when the Pew Global Attitudes Project began tracking attitudes on this issue, far fewer across the Muslim world now endorse suicide bombings"

Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:37:16 UTC | #855794

Go to: Dear Angry Lunatic: a response to Chris Hedges

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Comment 46 by GPWC :

Comment 44 by ChoneChacon :

I hadn't even heard of Chris Hedges before reading this, except perhaps for a passing reference in a conversation or two, but after reading this, and a few of the links in Harris' article, I can only say: GO fuck yourself Chris.

Judging by comments like this above, I don't suppose many people have watched the debate between the two of them that Sam Harris links here. It is not at all what I was expecting. It's quite long, so first, jump through the introductions. Then you will enjoy SH's opening and get lost on Hedges' opening. But after that the debate gathers pace and interest.

Chris Hedges (who says he is not particularly religious) says that fundamentalism springs from political oppression and that fundamentalists use religion to bolster their position. Sam Harris, I think, sees religion as the primary driver towards fundamentalism, and that religious moderates give, at the very least, a support network and make possible fundamentalism. It's a good debate, but the pair of them are really much in agreement with each other and where they disagree, it is almost like they are shooting past each other on parallel tracks. I'd be interested to hear other views but for the moment, I'd caution people against having a go at Chris Hedges without first watching the debate - especially the last two thirds.

Hedges didn't freak out until after the debate with Sam. He got pummeled both in the debate with Sam, as well as when he debated Christopher Hitchens, and he seemed not to like it much.

Also, the moderator in the Harris vs Hedges debate is the worst ever. Sam's debating both of them, and winning easily.

Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:02:01 UTC | #855042

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