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Go to: Proposals to make worship optional in schools rejected by Peers

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@Quiddam

There is nothing less cool than being forced to do something at school. From what I've seen watching British TV, and the 3 or 4 British friends I've made, the choice to have church in school is catastrophic for religious enthusiasm. I went to church a lot here in the US, but the Lutheran's tended to do some fun things as well, and in a lot of ways, the actual church service was just the boring thing you had to work through to get to do the fun activities later. Completely divest it of that, and make it an obligation forced on you by teachers and not your family, I can easily see why people would lose interest in it even earlier than I did with my former religion.

I will say, as messed up as American religious politics is, at least we don't have church people mandated to be part of government like in the UK, or have money taken directly from our payroll and given to churches like in Germany. It surprises me how states that are very secular allow the religious to hold them over a barrel, when it seems like by and large the populace just doesn't care.

Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:46:07 UTC | #884306

Go to: Belgium hears ex-bishop Vangheluwe play down abuse

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Does the EU have a sex offender list and regulations like the US (where they are listed on a website and have to announce their presence to the locals)? I presume each of the individual states have their own records, but it seems obvious that they don't share with each other, or the US. This is the sort of thing that needs to happen, if you're going to keep the Catholic Church from pimping their priests out everywhere. I'm not sure if pedophiles backslide more than your average criminal, but certainly its good to have it around so you can check out your local priest before you send your kid to his church.

Also, I remember the Belgians took a whole mess of documents form the church last year... did they get anything interesting out of those?

Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:44:12 UTC | #615875

Go to: Triangle Freethought Society Launches New "Out of the Closet" Billboard Campaign

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Wow, its neat to see this happening in my home town!

Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:08:33 UTC | #609504

Go to: Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters

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@ Jimbobjim

Bart Ehrman's books all come with a pretty lengthy Bibliography. The fraudulent authorship of various parts of the NT are widely agreed upon in the scholarly community. Its largely the point of his books that this is the case, and yet it is not told by clergy to their parishioners. And Ehrman does make the distinction between the Gospels, which were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but were mistakenly attributed to them, and the fake letters of Peter and Paul, which were attributed to them by the fraudulent authors themselves. You can tell they are falsely attributed by the language the authors use and by the dating of manuscripts and references in other sources, and Ehrman is usually pretty good about presenting only the ones where the strongest cases can be made.

He also makes the point that many contemporary pagan and Christian authors despised this practice, and actively fought against it. What is more interesting is whether, since all pastors, priests, and preachers who attend modern liberal seminaries know this and yet fail to mention it to their parishioners, they are themselves being frauds and liars by teaching from books they know to be fakes.

Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:17:42 UTC | #608761

Go to: Why Are Atheists So Angry?

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I go and post on On Faith a little bit, because its part of the Washington Post, and I see its articles from the main page, and they have regular posts done by atheist contributors. So I don't think that the batch of atheists that post there are necessarily uninvited, since it is a place to discuss a wide variety of religions. Its also pretty eye opening, since I've been called bigoted and ignorant for pointing out basic, ridiculous facts about, say, the Book of Mormon, or the violent, frightening actions of the Prophet Mohammad.

I'd say a bit reason that makes me angry isn't listed in the Rabbi's four positions, namely that religious people are ignorant of their own religion, and yet still grant it immense deference in terms of time and money devoted to it, respect to the opinions that comes from it, and suspicion to those who aren't part of it. I've known lots of Christians who didn't care for the beliefs of other denominations, even though they couldn't explain what the differences were if asked, or they only knew rumors or outright lies. All this ignorance is fostered by churches that aren't open about how much of their religion is backed up with history, archaeology, or science. I went to church every Sunday till I was 16, and never, ever did I hear a pastor acknowledge evolution, the larger scope of science, or just that some of the stories in the Bible aren't true, even though the pastors themselves have been taught about how most of the Bible is not just historically unknown, but down right lies. Religion doesn't make an effort to educate its members, it doesn't make an effort to correct its misinformation, and it doesn't correct its terrible morals until the march of society forces it to do so. Frankly, that's what makes me most angry, to have spent so many years of my life learning stories about people that were no more real than Aragon and Bilbo, in kingdoms that are no more historical than Mordor, and I was being taught by someone who KNEW it was false. Really, in the long term, society just cannot bear such constant ignorance.

Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:06:10 UTC | #601516

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