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dgr8test97's Avatar Jump to comment 62 by dgr8test97

This is so rediculous. There is no historical record of Christ. Trust me, I have look. I love Confucianism. I once believed their was a Confucius, but when I went to China to look for historical records of him, I found none. Laotzu for sure doesn't exist either. I doubt Budhha ever existed. No concrete evidence of these people. I love all these "philosophies" but do I need to believe without evidence that they people exis. NO. I grew up. I wanted to believe they existed. I hoped they existed. But facts are facts. Christians need to take their head out ther a55 and admit it. Christianity will be better off for it.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:22:00 UTC | #98111

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dgr8test97's Avatar Jump to comment 139 by dgr8test97

The F** Taiping Rebellion Killed over 30 million people. That is more than Pol Pot, Stalin and Hilter combined. The Taipings were psuedo-christians. How many times do I have to say that. I just e-mailed Dan Dennett about the Taiping and I was concerned that he had never heard of them. 30 million. Let me say this again 30 million. So the Pope should say sorry for the Taiping's action too. Professor Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and everyone on this site. Whenever, ever, ever, ever, someone brings up Stalin and Pol Pot bring up the Taiping. They killed more than these two combined. By FAr

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:57:00 UTC | #95675

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dgr8test97's Avatar Jump to comment 319 by dgr8test97

Diacanu
"Jesus, you Chinese dudes and your Mao apologia.
It's like how every Italian I've met tows the "Mussolini's only mistake was siding with Hitler", line.Give it up, I ain't biting the hook."

First off, I grew up hating Mao like all the uneduated people out there. Then something happened to me. It is called college. I studied under Fred Wakeman and Jon Spence--the top two Chinese historians in America. I don't think they are chinese. They look White to me. They are not appoligist, but rather they do not characterize people. You might want to check them out. By The Way, I went to China, to see his atrocities and talked to the people. If you think Mao was bad, you should check out the US involvement in China and the Kuomintang involment it China during the early 20th century.

So this site talks about proof knowledge and understanding the details of analysis. So why not do the same for understanding the Facts of Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, and Hitler. These guys are people. Are they evil and pure evil, you can decide after reading about them. Did they have any accomplishments. Read and decide yourself. What you will see is Mao accomplishments out weight his wrongs. The Great Leap Forward was a failed economic policy--ala Andrew Jackson's famine causing policy--not an attempt at Genocide like Hitler's Holocaust.

Dawkins, Harris, Dennette, and Hitchens are getting killed in debates when these names are brought up. I am surprise they have not taken the opportunity to read up on these people to give more subtle responses.

Again, the biggest killer of chinese people in the last two Century are the British, the Japanese, and the Taiping Rebellion. NOT MAO. Read the history yourself, then talk trash.

I am as much Cambodian as Chinese and have nothing good to say about POl Pot. There is no evidence of any substantive accomplishment made by this man, and he went out to kill people. That was his goal. Both of these two killed my family members. Why would I be apologetic to Mao and not Pol Pot. Because, Mao's crimes are over exaggerated in the West and his accomplishments are diminished because the WEst fears China. ITS CALL THE YELLOW PERIL, read about it. You talk about evidence. Well read up on it.

Am I right that you have never taken a course of Chinese history or no anything about Chinese history except for what you see on TV.

I don't comment on Evolution or the Big Bang because I am not a biologist or a physicists. But I can write about Asian history because I spent 4 years studying it.

Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:53:00 UTC | #93183

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Stop this Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot bullshit.These are different people. Mao is not any of these guys. For 1, Mao is a winner. What he started is still around. Chinese people have a say Mao is 70% right and 30% wrong. People on this site and Dawkins should read up on Mao. A good place to start is Jonathan Spence of Yale or Fred Wakeman of UC Berkeley. Second, Mao biggest and only real horror committed was the Great Leap Forward. This was more akin to Andrew Jackson's bad economic policy than Pol Pot's death camp or Hitler's genocide, or Stalin's Labor Camp. I have studied the Holocaust extensive at the Holocaust Center of Northern California, the second biggest center in the US, with Holocaust survivors. I was a Chinese Studies major at Berkeley. My father's side of the family was murdered by Pol Pot. So let say I know a little bit about these people.

Of the four, Hitler is not an Atheist but a Catholic. Stalin I am not sure. Mao and Pol Pot were atheist. All ruled in a time when foreign powers were threatening and leeching off of their countries. This is the real common link between the four--not that they are atheist. What excuse do Christians have for their atrocities in good and bad times. Plus the worse atrocity committed in the last 200 years in China were done by the Japanese, the British, and the Taiping Rebellion. The Taiping Rebellion was a Christian movement lead by Hong Sau Chuen--otherwise known as Jesus's little brother. Taiping Rebellion killed over 30 million people. We are not sure how many people died in the Great Leap Forward.

Also, Sam Harris has the best example of the cruelty of religion: people doing stupid shit to themselves and their love ones. Examples, mutilation of the genatilia, no condoms in AIDS area, Stoning Adulters, and so forth. How many people have died because of this?

I have begged time and time again to get a Historian on this movement. That historian needs to set shit straight. Ideally the historian should be a communist expert since this links the Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin and Hitler (he was anti-commy).

So stop this Nonsense with these four guys somehow being on the same boat and being the most evil people in history. I do not put Mao on the list. Also, what the hell was the Catholic's churn's role in the genocide of the Americas? Where was the Pope during the Holocaust?

Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:33:00 UTC | #93075

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dgr8test97's Avatar Jump to comment 366 by dgr8test97

Not to defend Mao, but Mao's retarded economic policy killed the tens of millions during the Great Leap Forward. The people died of starvation because the economic policy was terrible--not because Mao was sending soldiers to kill them ala Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot. This fact to me makes Mao a little different from the others. Remember Andrew Jackson's retarded economic policies starved thousands of Americans too.

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:27:00 UTC | #89234

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