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Go to: God's truth, believers are nicer

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I remember that survey about church attendance etc in the US, and how people's answers differed quite a bit from the actuality.

http://www.slate.com/id/2278923/

Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:57:29 UTC | #870615

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Andy11. That's such an ignorant statement, I don't even...

Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:41:02 UTC | #605413

Go to: Ricky Gervais's fundamental error was to attack God

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Comment 43 by Hubriss :

Of course, it shouldn't be censored or anything, and the outcry is totally unjustified, but no one really gives a flying fuck that Gervais is an atheist. From the looks of it, the statement didn't even have anything to do with anything else on the program or in his little speech. It was just out there and random.

It was simply a dumb move and should justifiably piss off the NBC executives, but not the people pretending or actually being offended.

I laugh when I read any of you saying he's "courageous." Given his background, that didn't take any courage. He simply just didn't have to think about what he was saying.

It was a joke, referring to celebrities who thank god for getting them an award etc. Come on it's not that hard to figure it out, the line was actually relevant.

Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:03:33 UTC | #584406

Go to: The Gays Are Winning – And the Religious Right is Losing: What Nontheists Can Learn from the Success of the Homosexual Rights Movement

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Comment 14 by SeanSantos :

Comment 12 by Steven Mading :

"Deviant" merely means "an outlier not near the median" In other words, something unusual. [...] The problem is that you are carrying the bigoted connotation that to deviate is to be morally wrong.

Wrong, sir! That is the connotation that that word has in our culture. For comparison, look at racial slurs. While such a slur's denotation might be "Person of race X", it is an insult because of the connotation and history those words have in our culture. "Deviant" is much the same; while it may literally denote nothing other than "outlier", applied to a person it very strongly implies moral depravity.

Furthermore, look at the original comment:

Women, foreigners and people who are the wrong colour, followers of minority religions, gays and other sexual deviants, atheists

Notice the the word "wrong". Clearly this is written from the perspective of a person who sees straight white Christian men as the acceptable, "normal" person. I didn't think this was a problem because I assumed Stonyground was using this language intentionally and ironically, lapsing into a parodied voice of the standard bigot in order to mock him. Eshto obviously didn't see it as merely ironic, but took offense. Either way, I think it's clear that words with negative connotations were directly selected.

Basically: Go away Steven Mading, magical intent blankets don't work here.

But yeah, I assumed Stoneyground was employing irony as well. Kind of a mini poe. c:

Fri, 24 Dec 2010 23:31:41 UTC | #568604

Go to: The Gays Are Winning – And the Religious Right is Losing: What Nontheists Can Learn from the Success of the Homosexual Rights Movement

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Comment 4 by green and dying :

If there is an American group that suffers even more bigotry than gays it is atheists.

Seriously?

Well there was that UM study. http://www.soc.umn.edu/~hartmann/files/atheist%20as%20the%20other.pdf

Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:12:43 UTC | #568547

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