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Special objections to the right to die - purely religious? - last commented 12 July 2012 09:25 PM

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@SaganTheCat

Apologies, should have added the desired " :-) " smiley face at the end of my megadeth post.

Although, to pick up on debaser71, I think that kind of rhetoric debaser71 describes is just as unsuitable as Megadeth- and forms a major part of the bible, which is also catchy and easily remembered in places...

..Not to mention RD's Magic of Reality - there have been many published complaints that this is atheism masquerading as science-for-children. Can't have it both ways!

Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:18:51 UTC | #950958

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Soooo...if messages contained in songs don't mean anything to children, and no real-life effects will ever manifest themselves in the minds of said children....I wonder whether the school might consider using the following song to illustrate the possible complexities of guitar-based chord progressions :

"The Conjuring" by Megadeth :

"I AM THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
A SALESMAN, if you will . . .
Come join me in my INFERNAL DEPTHS . . .
I've got your soul!"
At the end of the song — they chant "OBEY"!

I wonder who would be "going after the children" then?

Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:26:19 UTC | #950936

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I forgot to mention - I was 9 years old when asked to leave Sunday School - hence the "innocent" questions.

Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:41:06 UTC | #950517

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Adiroth, I kind of agree with your comment:

Sometime you can do a lot more by not doing. You don't have to drag your kids around with you to undoctrinate them, all you need to do is to be a role model for your kids, showing them that an atheist can be a much better person than the religious lot who only feigns morality out of fear of God.

I don't think you even need to be that extreme in your thinking. Just showing them that you're a nice, caring, compassionate person who doesn't believe in a god should do it eventually.

I was brought up with a religious father and non-religious mother, and still have vivid memories (I'm 43 now) of thinking as a child at Sunday School, "but how can we need god to be good - my Mum's one of the nicest people I know and she doesn't have god..something about this isn't quite right". Not long after that, I was politely asked to refrain from attending said Sunday School, because I was asking too many (innocent) difficult questions. Says a lot.

Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:26:35 UTC | #950516

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Comment 4 by Bobwundaye :
most people here would argue that it is the right of a parent to raise their child according to their belief system.

I don't share your confidence that most people would agree with that.

In fact the state already intervenes when parents' beliefs fall short of certain tests of reason. For example parents who don't believe in blood transfusions, or who use corporal punishment - even in the home.

These are measures designed to protect the CHILD's rights. So when parents have religious, or any other, beliefs that put their child's life/health (including mental health) in danger, in my opinion the state wouldn't be doing it's duty to protect the child if it didn't step in.

That being said, I put the religious belief indoctrination subject in the same bucket as parents who push their child into following Daddy into being a doctor when what the child really needs to be is, say, a stand-up comedian or a soldier. It's just (very) bad parenting; and from that, it follows that there will become a point when the parenting is so bad that it's tantamount to child abuse.

Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:12:38 UTC | #937010

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