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AJS261, all of these problems will be sorted if they just PUT THE DAMN LECTURES ON YOUTUBE.

That way, serious students will be able to study using books and videos of lectures. When they're ready, they can sit an exam which assesses their competence.

There's absolutely no need for us to continue paying hundreds of thousands of lecturers nationwide, when a series of videos of exemplary lectures, together with a network of question-answerers on online forums, would be a perfectly adequate replacement.

Workers are often made redundant when a new technology comes along which performs their job at lower cost. Why should lecturers be any different?

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:53:37 UTC | #635682

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Comment 375 by weesam :

ajs261

you have just (blindly) bought into the lie that Britian, one of the richest countries in the world; one of the richest nations ever known in history, cannot afford education. When the obvious fact is that we cannot afford NOT to invest in education. Our students are the only real resource we have.

You're right that we can afford free education (Scotland already manages it). It is not true though that Britian is any longer one of the richest countries in the world. Its nominal GDP per capita is 22nd in the world.

I think the main reason is that the UK has become a "service economy", which means that most jobs in the UK are basically worthless. For the most part jobs in the UK are either hollow and bureacratic, or capitalist and machiavellian. Typically speaking, jobs which are clearly useful to society pay the least, and jobs of questionable importance pay the most. If you're a Diversity Officer (whatever that means) you can expect to make 50 grand a year, at least. If you're a car mechanic, you can expect to scrape by on close to minimum wage.

Another reason I'm against this humanities college is that it will inevitably churn out a load of bloaty-headed, social butterflies of graduates, who will enter the economy as overpaid bullshit merchants whose expertise consists of "communication skills", and not a lot else.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:28:58 UTC | #635666

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Dan Conquer, I think you miss the point. The issue isn't that Grayling is going to educate people who for the most part have rich fat pigs for parents. We shouldn't begrudge the rich just for the sake of begrudging them. Satisfying that might feel, but ultimately it isn't defensible.

The point should be this. Instead of helping to move us forward toward a society in which education is available to everyone regardless of their income, Grayling instead chooses to preserve the academic status quo by making up for the cut funding by raising tuition fees. In particular, Grayling prefers to carry on paying academics large sums of money to deliever lectures, instead of advocating a fairly obvious, new and much cheaper educational policy, by which exemplary lectures are available for viewing on the Internet.

This is one example of how we can use the Internet to greatly cut costs and increase availability of education. Grayling doesn't appear to be interested. He wants to carry on being paid large fees to deliever lectures which people could just as well watch on Youtube.

I know people have expressed sarcasm about "the University of Youtube". The fact is, however, that most of the content of university courses is the lectures.

If, like Grayling, a university leader systematically refuses to consider possibilities for major cuts in expenses, then OF COURSE quality education is going to remain tremendously costly. The fact that education is so expensive is their own damn fault (and how convenient for them it is, because they are the ones being paid).

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 18:51:29 UTC | #635555

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£30 for 50 minutes is a pretty high price to charge considering that millions of poor sods are slogging their guts out for £6 an hour, in jobs they don't enjoy. Especially when we can quite easily put everything on Youtube.

Lecturing, much like professional football, is supposed to be a job that the people doing it deeply enjoy. Except that lecturers are even worse, because football fans don't want to watch the same game repeatedly, whereas students would prefer to watch a model lecture.

£30 for 50 minutes is a pretty high price to charge considering that millions of poor sods are slogging their guts out for £6 an hour, in jobs they don't enjoy. Especially when we can quite easily put everything on Youtube.

Lecturing, much like professional football, is supposed to be a job that the people doing it deeply enjoy. Except that lecturers are even worse, because football fans don't want to watch the same game repeatedly, whereas students would prefer to watch a model lecture.

Comment 361 by Cristo De Lay :

Dear Prof Dawkins, get away from this mess while you still can, and take many with you.

I didn't like Grayling from the start, to be honest. I knew about his hard-headed and conceited outlook already from the essay on "Excellence" on his website. Worse for him was that his ego trip just isn't justified.

Who watched the conversation between Grayling and Dawkins on whether supernatural claims are wrong in principle? Grayling doesn't bring anything to the discussion. It was almost embarrassing, really. I've never seen so much pedantic waffle in all my life.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:27:17 UTC | #635475

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