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There are definitely times when I catch myself staring directly at something, while slouching motionless in my chair for instance, such as a picture hung upon a wall, but not really being completely "conscious" of it. It's just a "thing" in my optical field of view. My brain is in a "quiescent" mode, so to speak. Most external observers would describe my condition during this moment as "staring off into space".

Then, a moment later, some sort of "language module" kicks in, and a rather frenetic "inner voice" begins making silent comments about the picture -- using English words and phrases.

(Additionally, the damn "music module" always seems to be playing in the background, somewhere, and it is usually playing the very last song I was "conscious" of earlier in the day -- certainly not some random tune.)

I think consciousness IS the "inner voice". Without the English words I'm speaking (internally) to myself, I'm not really "aware" of any particular thing.

That's why I think Steve Zara has the better angle on this debate. It seems reasonable to assume that during the "quiescent" times, I'm simply "monitoring" a stream of sensory input, without really "understanding" it. The "understanding" comes only when the "language module" is triggered.

Just some personal observations, for what they're worth. (And sorry about all the scare-quotes.)

Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:52:38 UTC | #949811

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Comment 154 by Akaei

I speculate that if we took a group (10-100) of modern human children, isolated them from authority and cultural information (other than basic language) they would develop their own supernaturalist religion.

Either that or rock & roll and hip-hop.

Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:52:45 UTC | #949807

Go to: The raw deal of determinism and reductionism

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@ Schrodinger's Cat:

Thanks very much for linking to that video. It's the first time I ever experienced Chalmers, and I must admit most of his statements were thoroughly unconvincing. It seemed like every one of them essentially said "consciousness is real to me".

I can imagine zombies who are identical to Chalmers in every detail, except that they lack frizzelmorpishness.

I look around and see colors: reds, and greens, and blues. All of these FEEL a certain way to me... they have a quality of experience."

Or, perhaps Chalmers has simply learned to expound on these topics in a colorful and sophisticated language that instills in people a sense that there's something missing from the picture (when there really isn't).

Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:29:53 UTC | #949804

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What I'm doing is asking you, who believes that there is a non-physical aspect of this causal chain...

(The referee steps in momentarily...)

May I suggest that "new-physical" instead of "non-physical" be used to more accurately describe Schrodinger's Cat's position?

(Blows the whistle.) Engage!

Sun, 22 Jul 2012 04:03:21 UTC | #949802

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Comment 213 by Steve Zara

My experience of Steve Zara is that he's read. Brilliantly well read, in fact.

Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:23:59 UTC | #949796

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