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Go to: Norway abolishes state sponsored Church of Norway

Chad_Is_Rad's Avatar Jump to comment 21 by Chad_Is_Rad

Religion is in retreat in many places, and so I had a debate with someone about which religion could be the one most likely to survive free thought, questions, good education, affluence and good standard of living.and good standard of living.

At the risk of starting an argument (I'm not being intentionally provactive here), I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say Islam.

Yup, that Islam.

If you look at early adherents to the faith, you see a people obsessed with gaining knowledge of all sorts. In fact, many early Muslims translated more Classical works than any of their contemplatives. Most people don't realize this, but the only other word used in the Quran as much as Allah is "Knowledge". Early believers looked to the "Greater Jihad" (that of inner struggle), much more than the "Lesser Jihad" (that of physical struggle), in which the current crop of Islamofascists seem to be obsessed with.

Neil deGrasse Tyson has actually done a few discussions regarding this fact on several occasions. He points out that if it wasn't for the work of a single radicalized cleric who pushed math and science as being "the Devil's work" ... Islam could look completely different than it does today.

To be honest, I think early Islam's progressive history and openness to science and culture could be the best tool we have as atheists to fight radical Islam. We can argue with them until we are blue in the face. Does that work ... on occasion. But if we could simply remind them and reeducate them on who their ancestors were and what they found important ... those gains would be infinitely more impactful in my opinion.

Tue, 15 May 2012 19:46:10 UTC | #941673

Go to: Norway abolishes state sponsored Church of Norway

Chad_Is_Rad's Avatar Jump to comment 10 by Chad_Is_Rad

This is pretty awesome news.

I must admit, as an American, I'm a little jealous to see other nations move forward with such progress while my native land seems to be slipping slowly into the dark ages.

Kudos to these great people. Norway, and the entire Scandinavian region for that matter, deserve tremendous props. In a world torn to shit, we see a true light of secular progress in an area with great prosperity and wealth of conscious.

Tue, 15 May 2012 17:03:51 UTC | #941630

Go to: Graphic: A demographic breakdown of the world of religion

Chad_Is_Rad's Avatar Jump to comment 39 by Chad_Is_Rad

I think you're reading too much meaning into a simple turn of phrase.

I guess my point is, I'm putting myself in the shoes of how a believer would read this.

They are going to look at this graphic and say: "Reject? You see, those damn atheists are just as dogmatic as they criticize us as being."

Again, I completely agree with you, and as Alan already pointed out, it's really just about semantics. And that's fine, but somewhere, somehow, we need to figure out what's getting lost in translation. A recent study in the states showed that atheists still (by a fairly high margin) are still looked at as the least trust-worthy demographic in the nation. We got higher marks than gays AND Muslims ... and this is in a country that fears them some Muslims.

So somethings not right. Even with the secular movement at one of its strongest periods, our message (whether through jumbled syntax, semantical interpretation, or just plain-old-fashioned sub-par messaging) something is not connecting.

I'm a designer, so maybe I'm looking too much into this piece of visual communication, but to me, messaging makes all the difference in the world. Visual or otherwise.

Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:01:05 UTC | #932634

Go to: Graphic: A demographic breakdown of the world of religion

Chad_Is_Rad's Avatar Jump to comment 37 by Chad_Is_Rad

What you are presenting is a semantic argument based on doubtful definitions of "certainty", "atheism", "god(s)", and "existence"!

And ......?

Did you not read my final point?

It's the reason why I think "atheism" is such a meaningless and silly term. The arguments and discussions we are having in the 21st century have moved beyond this trivial description.

You and I can see the semantics involved, but an outside perspective sees something very different. If the goal of our consolidated movement is to push forth understanding and progress, making the other side feel as though they are on the same logical grounds as we are is not going to cut it. And that's exactly what they think when they hear us using the same exact absolutes as they do, just from a different perspective. Yes, we can sit here and preach to each other's choir ... but I think there's a bigger cause involved.

Why do you think we still hear: "Atheists are just as dogmatic as theists" and "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist". Hell, I still hear some atheists saying this garbage!

I really didn't think my observation was that controversial, I guess I was wrong.

We do reject belief in deities because we don't believe in deities.

Layla, how are we "rejecting" something we don't even believe exists?

To me, it's exactly the opposite. It gives too much weight and credibility to the very concept of god. I'm not "rejecting" anything. There are a myriad of things I don't believe in based on insufficient evidence .... but "reject"?

No.

I don't believe our conscious mind is simply some software running on some alien's computer. But I don't "reject" the concept. Who the hell knows ... and how could you?

Thu, 05 Apr 2012 18:52:00 UTC | #932602

Go to: Living After Faith Podcast - Jerry DeWitt

Chad_Is_Rad's Avatar Jump to comment 7 by Chad_Is_Rad

hmmm, yeah. A touch weird to hear that distinct preacher voice speak through a secular message. I'm definitely onboard with the trend, I just hope the converts actually learn science and familiarize themselves with the intricacies of arguing against religion. Otherwise, it could come off as an individual simply jumping ship from one religion to another, and that probably won't sway his fellow "believers" that are on the fence.

Good stuff, regardless!

Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:12:54 UTC | #932582

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