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Go to: God Sent Christopher Hitchens to Hell Because He Loved Him

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Comment 23 by IndyHoosier :

I don't have a problem with this guy saying what he thinks. When Falwell died, Hitch went on the cable shows and said exactly what he thought about that charlatan windbag. I thought that was a good thing.

Having Christians come out and espouse their feelings is beneficial. It is much better having their opinions documented and out in the open so that one can see, listen, and judge.

Ditto, although I recall people's reactions to Hitchen's being "Hey now, that's uncalled for! the man has a family and they are mourning, can't we let them have that!" and it looks like they are not following their own advice or being "the better person". Meanwhile, at, PZ Myers discussed Hitchen's misogyny and support for the Iraq war. Just because he is dead doesn't mean we can't talk about the things we didn't like, or would even consider "ugly". Criticism isn't off limits (even by one of "our own"). Why should it be, as Hitchen's illustrated when Falwell died? Once again when situations like this happen, Atheists and Christians show their true colors in their actions, with Christians looking completely hypocritical.

Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:05:52 UTC | #900655

Go to: Christopher Hitchens obituaries

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Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:19:03 UTC | #899867

Go to: Religious groups cry foul over Ontario anti-bullying bill

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Comment 16 by Paul the Pretentious :

Comment 10 by ///////////////////////////////////////// :

One fact you are all ignoring is this awful attempt to bully the bully boys (and girls). Bullies have feelings too. Bullies have rights. Hug a bully for god

I have no sympathy for bullies. I don't care how bad they get it at home, there isn't any excuse for anyone to take their troubles out on other people. When I was growing up, I got the whole "fighting is wrong" talk.

I really, really wish I'd gotten the "Demolish them" talk. You want to stop bullying? Stop with the silly pacifism, teach kids to fight back. Most bullies do have wrecked home lives. Most bullies are wimps. And they take their troubles out on innocent peers who they know won't be likely to fight back--because most of us are actually decent and despise violence.

Damn that. Occasionally, the best way to prevent somebody hurting you is to demonstrate you are willing to hurt them. Does it sound stupid and brutish?

It is. So are bullies. A combination of teaching kids to fight back--and yes I mean violently--against someone threatening them physically, and intervening into what the bullies lives are like at home, would put an end to this.

Totally agree. There were bullies in my school - mostly verbal, some physical - and I was always a pacifist about it, and it got me no where. They are basically predators that at some level, do a benefit vs. cost analysis of the situation. If you show ANY sign that what they are doing is bothering you or getting to you, you have reinforced them, and no matter how much you walk away or pretend like they aren't bothering you, you end up giving something away that they pick up on. If you show any sign that you might fight back and actually do, even if you get your ass kicked they likely won't bother you again. If a shark attacks you, you go for the eyes and gills and it hopefully will say "screw this it isn't worth it". Ditto with fighting back against a bully.

Regarding what mmurray said I think that as you get older the stakes are higher, and fighting definitely isn't recommended. It is also worth noting that Sam says that if it is clear that the situation has gone south and the person come hell or high water is going to hurt you, then you fight back. This is the case with most bullies I think. Also, when I was younger there was never a fear of a kid having a gun or a knife at school. So when you 5-11 years old, I don't see the problem with fighting back. My dad taught us that it was okay if we did and we wouldn't get in trouble. I was always to afraid of getting punched in the face so I never did. Definitely regret that.

Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:24:56 UTC | #897119

Go to: Religious groups cry foul over Ontario anti-bullying bill

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"Other religious activists say there will be a mass exodus of kids from public and separate schools if the anti-bullying bill with its sexual accommodation provisions is not amended."

Fine, hang back while modern society marches on.

Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:44:01 UTC | #896943

Go to: Atheists are the most generous—even without heavenly reward!

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As much as I would like to believe this, the evidence he gives is pretty weak. Just a sliver of all the data available on giving. There is a good book called "Who Really Cares" by Arthur Brooks. I don't like some of the arguments in the book, at least how I interpret them (e.g., charity counts more than voting for left-wing politicians who are more likely to redistribute wealth, create more social security programs, etc., among other things) but the data seems pretty solid: religious conservatives donate the most (even to non-religious charities), and secular liberals the least. I think there are a number of interesting reasons for this, but the data seem pretty clear.

Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:41:23 UTC | #893298

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