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Go to: Spanish artist faces prison over 'how to cook Christ' film

permafrost's Avatar Jump to comment 31 by permafrost

Breaking news: Mr. Krahe and the other co-defendants have just been acquited.

By the way, he really did not face prison, but a fine which is payed in fractions by monthly payments, thereby the wording of the Spanish law: ... a fine of X months...

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:48:39 UTC | #946300

Go to: Spanish artist faces prison over 'how to cook Christ' film

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Well, even though the "blasphemy" was filmed in 1978 it was actually shown to the public in 2004. Therefore it is in the later date when the offense is committed, according to the law, which punishes the public derision of others' beliefs. I think that would be the argument of those claiming that there is a crime here.

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:57:38 UTC | #946166

Go to: Spanish artist faces prison over 'how to cook Christ' film

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Yeah, I read Mr. Krahe said if he was convicted he would exile himself out of Spain. As a Spaniard myself I was astonished to learn that this law even existed and doubly so that it was actually being used to prosecute someone. It is article 525 of the criminal code, which reads something like this (please forgive my English, it is an improvised translation):

"1. A fine of eight to twelve months will be imposed to those who, in order to offend the feelings of the members of a religious confession, publicly deride, orally, in writing or by any type of document, their dogmas, beliefs rites or ceremonies, or to those who, also publicly, abuse those who profess or practice them."

The issue gets interesting, though, because the second paragraph of article 525 reads:

"2. The same penalties will be imposed to those who publicly deride, orally or in writing, those who do not profess any religion or belief."

So, in principle, atheist could also claim to be offended by religious people! It sounds crazy to me. But I very much doubt it. Sadly, I know that there are still many conservative Christians and many religious reminiscences in Spain.

I would also exile myself... wait, I am already an expat.

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:43:25 UTC | #946164

Go to: Tennessee Passes ‘Monkey Bill’ To Teach The ‘Controversy’ On Evolution And Climate Science

permafrost's Avatar Jump to comment 43 by permafrost

There are so many things I love about America... But then I read this and feel as if, being Spanish and living in Luxembourg, I come from another planet. How sad. And how hard it must be for rational people to "survive" in some States.

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:51:07 UTC | #929808

Go to: Calls to Behead Indonesian Atheist Alexander Aan

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“If you think your arguments are true, why don’t you just have a face-to-face meeting with us, people who still believe in God? You’re just a group of cowards”

Well, in other circumstances, this would be a joke. You, atheist, are a coward because you don't show yourself there where we, God loving people, can comfortably lynch and kill you (an action usually carried out by a cowardly mob). Indonesia must be such a nice place to live if you are brain dead.

Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:26:51 UTC | #915347

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