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Go to: Council prayers ruling starts national debate

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Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey claimed that this was Christianity being marginalised.

That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. If there were Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, and other religious prayers being said along with Christian ones, and only the Christian ones were removed, then he could claim that Christianity was being marginalised. As it happens, Christian prayers have no place at a Council meeting that is there to serve the practical (not spiritual) needs of everybody in the community, including atheists.

Government should be based only on factual, provable, practical information. There should be no practices/rituals based on superstion, and tradition is not a valid excuse for its inclusion.

People are still free to go to a Christian church if they wish, and practice their faith in complete freedom within their own home.

Now, since the Court has ruled that these prayers are unlawful, when is it going to realise that we should neither have unelected Bishops in the House of Lords. To quote Jesus, they are "straining out teh gnat, but gulping down the camel!"

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:29:26 UTC | #917227

Go to: Freedom of speech for street preachers

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We have lost our sense of humour unfortunately. I saw Jeremy Clarkson on the BBCs One Show. He was asked what he thought of the Public Sector strikers in London. His reply, which was obviously a joke, was (paraphrasing):

"I think it's great, there are no workers in London, the traffic is fantastic.", then he followed this up with. "Actually this is the BBC isn't it? I'd better be balanced (adopts a comic outraged tone): I think it's awful, how dare they! They should be taken out and shot in front of thier families!"

Now admittedly, that's a bit of a silly thing to say, but the outrage from some quarters of society was ridiculous. It was so obviously a joke. People are so over sensitive these days.

As for the couple in the article. It's unfortunate for them that this preacher has chosen to express his misguided views in the manner in which he has. Is his god so impotent that he requires some raving individual to harrass others in order to make his point?

Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:41:36 UTC | #916209

Go to: Why Romney's Religion Matters

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What a bizarre world we live in when people have seriously considered voting for a person who was a Mormon missionary in France. I mean have they even looked into Mormon beliefs? They must be up there with the most ridiculous heaps of made-up claptrap around (and goodness knows there is some stiff competition!). Aside from the usual standards of treatment I reserve for people (being polite and considerate), I certainly couldn't respect this man, let alone vote for him. Just as well I'm not being asked to I suppose. Still, mad mad world.

Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:27:49 UTC | #913450

Go to: Look forward to the death of organized religion: Richard Dawkins

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And why indeed should any of us pull any punches when it comes to critisising organised religion?

I enjoyed Jeremy Paxman grilling the Bishop on BBCs Newsnight last night. Basically point blank fired at him the question: "By what authority do you, as an unelected member of the House of Lords decide to reject a law which has considerable support from the public and the members of Parliament who they have elected to represent them?" The Bishop pointed out quite rightly that this was a different debate altogether, but he knew he didn't have a legitimate answer, bleating that 'it's always been this way for 500 years!'. Still, credit the Paxman for firing it at him.

Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:20:38 UTC | #911072

Go to: Growing use of Sharia by UK Muslims

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''You must speak the truth, sister. Because Allah is listening to your every word, you can lie to us but not to Him.''

Well, I agree with them there. It's not possible to lie to Allah, for the same reason it's not possible to lie to Gandalf the Grey. He doesn't exist.

While it is clearly grating that these systems exist I can't see that a lot can be done about it. These aren't legally binding court rulings, they are religiously based rulings which the soliciting parties choose to respect the decision of. I think there is an equivalent in most religions.

I used to be a Jehovah Witness (I say this, what I mean is I was raised in that cult, and wasn't asked if I wanted to or not). Basically they have similar 'courts' (3 looneys in a room) who decide on matters as a supplement to the law of the UK. These decisions have no legal power to be enforced obviously, but the people involved choose to go along with it for religious reasons. They tried it on with me once, whereby I nearly caused serious damage to my ribs through sustained laughter. I explained to them that they had absolutely no power or authority whatsoever, and that real power and authority comes with the mandate of the electorate, and it has a force to back it up. To ilustrate this to them I proceeded to mock and deride their religio-manical power trip and challenged them to try to enforce their 'laws' on me. Needless to say they couldn't. That isn't to say that they don't have considerable influence over people though. There are cases of individuals like me whose parents/family won't ever speak to them again because of the judgements these 'courts' make. It's a kind of emotional blackmail, and causes people real psycological harm. Particularly the vulnerable.

Odious though they are, I can't see a way around it at present. The only good thing I can see is that in the case of Jehovah's Witnesses at least, the internet seems to be destroying their control on information and they are very frightened of it.

Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:46:32 UTC | #909162

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