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Comment 227 by Ana v :

Tedilasllaves to Tyler:

You did so partly by implying that variety and enjoyment were morally positive terms and that since you believe that a prohibition on pornography would cut people off from these things, such a prohibition is morally unsound.

Tedilasllaves, they should listen to the CAL episode " The Injustice of Sexual Sin" if they are convinced masturbation and pornography are morally and pyschologically healthy, and don't have negative effects on persons or relationships. And if they have objections or questions on the issues and research discussed, they could contact Dr. Breaux directly.

That certainly wouldn't do any harm.

Fri, 09 Dec 2011 01:44:23 UTC | #896964

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Comment 224 by mmurray :

Comment 220 by Tedilasllaves :

"No they don't. I've been a Catholic and hardly anyone believes that. Look at all the ones who are using contraception. Look at all the changes that happened during and after Vatican II. Look at the priests in South America who though Jesus was a Marxist. Look at history. The RCC changes all the time. Just very slowly."

I could have been clearer. The Catholic church itself claims to be the repository of unchanging truth. Any clued-in Catholic understands this, sentimental Marxists and those whose Catholicism is purely a tribal marker might not. The Marxists and users of contraception are not following what the Catholic Church teaches. As far as I'm aware not a single 'ex cathedra' teaching of the Catholic Church has ever changed and this is what informed Catholics are talking about when they speak of Catholic teaching.

"But this is not the point of the original comment. Should the RCC preach about rape ? Not until it gets its own house in order. What all the other organisations are doing is irrelevant to that statement."

It isn't irrelevant Michael. It's quite pertinent to the obvious follow up question of how, if you think the RCC shouldn't take a public stance concerning rape because rape has been perpetrated and covered up therein, you could take a position that ANY organisation should be allowed to preach that rape is wrong when they all suffer the same failings?

Fri, 09 Dec 2011 01:36:54 UTC | #896961

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Comment 214 by Tyler Durden :

"Therefore we hold the church to a higher standard when it comes to the rape, abuse and psychological torture of children, for the very reason that the church has placed herself above those in society.

You can't have it both ways."

It makes perfect sense for a Catholic like me to be unusually perturbed by sex abuse scandals in the Church. I am baffled how an atheist like you can claim on one hand that the Catholic Church has no absoloute moral authority yet at the same time hold it to a higher moral standard than secular organisations.

And the Church makes no claim whatsoever that its 'minions' are any less prone to temptation than non-believers. Where did you get this tripe?

Fri, 09 Dec 2011 01:04:34 UTC | #896947

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Comment 213 by Tyler Durden :

Comment 209 by Tedilasllaves :

Comment 207 by Tyler Durden :

"The RCC needs to get her own house in order first regarding rape (and subsequent covers-up) before it dare preach to others."

What a stupid thing to say. So if the organisation I work for had a problem with, say, embezzlement, and several employees were at it and several others were actively covering it up, you would think it incorrect for the organisation to take a public stance against embezzlement and to encourage others not to do it?

"Are you trying to be funny?"

No I'll probably leave that to you. You have devoted several posts to what you perceive as the deficiencies of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and drew attention to the fact that the Catholic Church is out of step with many aspects of the modern world. Catholics believe that the Catholic Church is a repository of unchanging truth. If any such body exists then by definition it would be, at certain times and in certain places, out of step with law and custom which, as you touched upon yourself, vary. You're a lucky chap if you find this sort of dry reasoning funny.

"Then why are you here if you're not interested in discussing them? This ain't a knitting class."

Oh I'm very, very sorry. I didn't realise I'd stumbled into Tyler Durden's wanking symposium.

"Why would a person's sex life need moral value? If it's consensual, between adults, legal, and of no harm to either partner, it can be enjoyable, fun, and mentally and physically stimulating. Are you seeking to add "moral value" or a guilt-trip?"

You were clearly seeking to invalidate the moral stance on pornography outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You did so partly by implying that variety and enjoyment were morally positive terms and that since you believe that a prohibition on pornography would cut people off from these things, such a prohibition is morally unsound. I think that's what you meant anyway. I wasn't really sure which is why I have asked you to elucidate your point. Would you care to do this? I'll be going to sleep soon so it would be great if you could get around to it soon.

You might also want to note that you lay down some clear sexual morals of your own in your last paragraph.

Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:51:45 UTC | #896945

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Comment 211 by mmurray :

Comment 209 by Tedilasllaves :

Are you implying that the Catholic Church shouldn't preach about rape Tyler? If so: why not?

The RCC shouldn't preach about rape because it is complicit in covering up rape by its clergy. Simple enough for you ?

Michael

Thank you. I could not have hoped for a more simple, expedient or silly reply.

How does the Catholic Church compare with secular organisations when it comes to dealing with internal sex abuse scandals Michael?

Here's a clue. It does not compare LESS favourably.

Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:09:47 UTC | #896931

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