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Am I over-reacting? - last commented 04 June 2012 10:02 PM

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pdw709's Avatar Jump to comment 51 by pdw709

I would like to personally thank all those who have expressed a view on this topic. Having had time to read these comments I am now certain that I will say something to the school.

As I am the Secretary of the school's Parent Council I will have the perfect opportunity at our next meeting, and depending on the sincerity of the response I will have the option of taking this matter still further. I have no desire to prevent the school running such trips in the future (despite my personal distaste for the Abernethy Trust), merely I seek better communication. If parents are fully informed of the situation, it will be up to them to choose whether their children should attend and/or opt out of the more religious aspects of the trip.

Thank you again for the comments - they have helped me to rationalise the best way forward.

Sat, 12 May 2012 23:01:08 UTC | #941236

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Son of a muon, I appreciate your frankness and I do feel a degree of guilt and will therefore happily take a portion of the blame for not being so vigilant, however I think you are dismissing the degree of culpability of the state/school and the Abernethy trust. The sermonising that my son endured was an order above what usually takes place in school which I feel is quite wrong. As I have stated previously, I feel RE is important and the last thing I want to do (although as you say its within my rights) is to with-hold my son from all religious activities at school. It is important for him to be aware of all Christian beliefs & traditions, because after all we are living in an, albeit a minority, Christian society. Sermonising is a different issue. How would children of other religions have felt? What if the Abernethy trust was a Muslim organisation?

If the school had been more honest as to the true nature of the Abernethy trust and the activites involved I would have had no hesitation in requesting that my son not take part in the "time out" sessions - after all I have paid for the trip myself. At the end of the day the lack of communication is the real issue, and that as a parent I should not have to request/demand/research all this information from the school. I attended an evening lecture designed to fully communicate the pending trip so they had the perfect opportunity to tell me.

Sat, 12 May 2012 12:09:52 UTC | #941173

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Thanks for all the comments (in such a short space of time).

To clarify a few issues. The school is indeed a local council (i.e. state) primary in Scotland and most definitely not a church school, although it has to be said that a lot of teachers tend to be religous.

My experiance of religion at primary school (I 'm now in my late thirties) was simply a morning assembly, which included a story/parable (usually a modern day reworking) and a few songs/hyms which I actually quite enjoyed from the song/tune point of view. This also appears the same for modern days schools, i.e. very little in the way of direct preaching, but this thing my son attended was quite different as they were told to memorise short passages of scripture etc.

As I said my son is fine, he is level headed and certainly doe'snt believe in god (although this may partly be down to him wanting to emulate me as he is fully aware of my views). It just worries me that other less mature children can be extremely vunrable, and that the Abernethy trust is in a unique position of having access to the children 24/7 for 5 days.

At the end of the day, when a school organises a week long trip that last thing you expect to do is have to perform detailed research yourself. I simply placed too much trust in the school, and certainly will make the same mistake next time.

To address one of the comments made, the reason I did'nt look into it more closely is that it was sold to us as a purely standard school trip to an outdoor activity centre. The usual teacher/parent helpers also attended with the children so it did'nt appear out of the orindary. I had attended (albeit 25 years earlier) a similar trip with my school to the Isle of Man, so I did'nt think it was in any way strange.

Sat, 12 May 2012 08:22:44 UTC | #941151

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Is this true, or is this just an assumption and/or the simple repetition of a fallacy?

"A proposed advert was submitted to the ASA: it insisted, reportedly, on a qualifying adverb. And the following sentiment went up on the sides of London buses: "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." "

I always thought that the "probably" was always intended to be included to reflect the fact the Atheists accept that you cannot disprove a negative, and that it would show that unlike the religious, that they were not arrogant.

If so then this is extremely sloppy journalism.

please correct me if i'm wrong.

Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:22:00 UTC | #302459

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