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I'm so glad I saw this before the new Alien movie (Prometheus).

Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:13:23 UTC | #946842

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Comment 76 by katy Cordeth :

catholic  [kath-uh-lik, kath-lik] adj 1 universal; relating to all men; all-inclusive. 2 comprehensive in interests, tastes etc.; broad-minded; liberal. [from Latin catholicus, from Greek katholicus universal, from kathalou in general, from kata- according to + holos whole]

Broad-minded; liberal - this definition could've been written with Pope Ratzinger himself in mind.

Thank you for reminding me of this original definition. It almost sounds rather metropolitan.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 06:52:13 UTC | #946517

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Comment 51 by susanlatimer

What is a Catholic?

They follow the teachings of Cathol.

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:54:40 UTC | #946468

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Comment 63 by AULhall :

Is your suggestion merely that Dawkins stop asking people to cease calling themselves Catholic when their specific beliefs do not resemble the Church's official beliefs?

Do you have any prescriptions or ideas for limiting the political and cultural power of the Church without having people change what they call themselves, or is it a lost cause for the time being?

I admire that he is so tireless and bold that he makes errors. Errors are valuable (science!).

I have no suggestion, only technical corrections. I can take this technical critique further if you like: Rather than declare what Catholicism is and then make recommendations to Catholics, just make observations like a curious scientist. What is a Catholic? Apparently, Catholics don't need to follow "official beliefs" to be Catholic. That gives rise to other, more cogent insights and arguments.

This is even more meaningful if one appreciates the hermetic nature of the institution. Dostoyevsky gets into this in his short story The Grand Inquisitor, where The Church is shown as a callous source of Noble Lies (Plato). This attitude is the signature of Catholic practice. Keep in mind, they gave mass in Latin until the 1960s. People showed up to hear mumbo-jumbo for an hour and leave. "Official beliefs" means something very different when they are purposefully written in a dead language. This is why the printing-press was such a problem for them.

If Dawkin's wasted his huge brain studying Catholicism for the past decades, he would have more powerful arguments against it. For instance, what I mentioned about child abuse could be brought up only by someone who understands these subtleties of the institution. It is more vile than an uninitiated or unstudied person can understand, and so he will miss that kind of thing and harp on something that doesn't matter at all.

As I referenced Voltaire just above, truth is important and Catholicism has nothing to do with truth. It is an institution providing therapy, facilitating cultural continuity, and a variety of other services. They used to treat the mentally ill with exorcism, and now we have medicine which works much better. The Church also used to provide economic, scientific, and military leadership. To take The Church out of political, cultural, and intellectual influence would be like making them a collection of museum curators with a soup kitchen. The British Monarchy and Reform Judaism are excellent examples of how this can be done. One might also extend the awareness of higher-initiates to the lay people (Xenu/Scientology). Was it 62% of lay people don't believe in literal transubstantiation? I bet it's much higher amongst clergy, especially in wealthier nations.

Catholicism is so beautiful, the ossuaries made of human bones, the mental discipline of engaging in the tradition, the saints as a pantheon of concepts like Homeric tales, it's so rich. We need to save Catholicism from The Church if we are to preserve this time capsule for future (hopefully rational) generations. They are defiling anything they've harvested from humanity over the last thousand years, driving it all into the AIDS infected, blood soaked soil in Africa. They have no right to do that. That's a trust of humanity.

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:53:25 UTC | #946467

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I want to hear a poll on Flying Jesus.

Jesus could freakin' fly! Flying men?! Like Padre Pio and Santa?!

It's a personal favorite question to ask, along with "you believe despite whatever moral acts I do, I burn in Hell because I do not believe in a flying man?"

Water into wine, whatever. It's the freaking flying part that has my jaw dropped. So I get Dawkin's effort here, asking people to think about what they believe and understand that it matters.

"As long as people believe in absurdities, they will commit atrocities." -Voltaire

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:06:13 UTC | #946457

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