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Go to: Spanish artist faces prison over 'how to cook Christ' film

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This guy is my new Dawkins lol ..... when you put him(jesus) on the table he looks like a glorified christmas turkey

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:06:17 UTC | #946171

Go to: Leo Igwe—The Constant Fight Against Irrationality

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my brother....love your work keep it up. In third world countries we need to go through a period of enlightenment just like the Europeans ...or At least our leaders must become disciples of reason just like the founding fathers in "the US of A".If we can have more people like Leo in politics we can change things but who will vote for him ( Obama 2090)

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:59:09 UTC | #946170

Go to: Atheism and Human Rights Abuses in Africa

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politicians will use do anything to win , Leo is correct but i think it is 100 times safer to be non-theist than to be gay in countries like Uganda..... i think Leo's article would be more accurate if he wrote about Nigeria were christians are accusing children of being witches, that is not common in Southern Africa. There is an article in the namibian sun with the title "Churches kicked out of schools" if you read that you will understand why i think the situation is different in different parts of Africa.

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In southern Africa Christians are a majority but "christians" still respect and participate in traditional African religious ceremonies

I have noticed that christianity mixes easily with indigenous belief systems. The Zion Christian Church in South Africa is a good example. There seems to be no difficulty in believing both in Jesus Christ and the power of the ancestors. (Sorry, I cannot find a link to quality material.) Is this also your experience in Namibia? How do the non-theistic educated Namibians handle this?

In South Africa, religion is used by politicians to great effect. One week they will extol the virtues of the indigenous belief systems and the other week the Christians will be the beneficiaries of political favours.

Sickening.

i think Africans have a very tolerant culture

As you correctly point out,

When we speak about Africa let us remember that it is a continent with different languages, cultures,religions and peoples.

Let's also not generalise too much.

the attacks on gay people are influenced by islam and christianity

Oh yes. In many years of study of pre-colonial indigenous legal systems, I have not once come across a reference to gay people being treated any differently from straight people. From what I can gather, gay bashing started under the influence of Christianity - the staunch Roman Catholic president of Zimbabwe is gay basher of note.

Leo Igwe is certainly correct in saying that, in broad African context, non-theism is simply not on and that religiously based atrocities are a dime a dozen.

Thu, 31 May 2012 20:48:13 UTC | #944839

Go to: Atheism and Human Rights Abuses in Africa

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In southern Africa Christians are a majority but "christians" still respect and participate in traditional African religious ceremonies

I have noticed that christianity mixes easily with indigenous belief systems. The Zion Christian Church in South Africa is a good example. There seems to be no difficulty in believing both in Jesus Christ and the power of the ancestors. (Sorry, I cannot find a link to quality material.) Is this also your experience in Namibia? How do the non-theistic educated Namibians handle this?

In South Africa, religion is used by politicians to great effect. One week they will extol the virtues of the indigenous belief systems and the other week the Christians will be the beneficiaries of political favours.

Sickening.

i think Africans have a very tolerant culture

As you correctly point out,

When we speak about Africa let us remember that it is a continent with different languages, cultures,religions and peoples.

Let's also not generalise too much.

the attacks on gay people are influenced by islam and christianity

Oh yes. In many years of study of pre-colonial indigenous legal systems, I have not once come across a reference to gay people being treated any differently from straight people. From what I can gather, gay bashing started under the influence of Christianity - the staunch Roman Catholic president of Zimbabwe is gay basher of note.

Leo Igwe is certainly correct in saying that, in broad African context, non-theism is simply not on and that religiously based atrocities are a dime a dozen.

Thu, 31 May 2012 20:07:49 UTC | #944828

Go to: Atheism and Human Rights Abuses in Africa

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i am African Agnostic Atheist i dont know which part of Africa the article is talking about. Before the arrival of Europeans in Africa we had our own Gods and tribal religions and they are still practiced in southern Africa. In southern Africa Christians are a majority but "christians" still respect and participate in traditional African religious ceremonies ... i think Africans have a very tolerant culture ( the attacks on gay people are influenced by islam and christianity).The traditional tribal religions dont try to convert outsiders or to fight people who dont agree with them and the most important difference: they send messages to the "God" but they dont make claims about "secret dialogues". I also want to Point out that the first president of namibia was not a christian in a country with 80% christians and it was never an issue and there are many young educated africans who are non believers. If you go to namibia on sunday you will find more people at home than in churches and some people who call themselves christians think that the "Born-again" christians who take the bible seriously are the biggest joke on the planet. When we speak about Africa let us remember that it is a continent with different languages, cultures,religions and peoples. I think it is better to use FACTS and real life example "like the lesbians who are raped in South Africa". Everything in the article applies to Freethinker in US, UK too and i cant remember any African leader openly saying " Atheists are not true patriots"

Thu, 31 May 2012 15:23:05 UTC | #944761

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