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Go to: Debate: Can Atheists and Believers work together for the common good?

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Tue, 22 May 2012 19:51:13 UTC | #942938

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"The rise of the planet of the apes " kindda thing , wanting to prove right so desperately a well established "scientific " materialistic belief in the sense that consciousness was just the so-called product of the so-called evolutionary complexity of the human brain = emergent property theory

Tue, 22 May 2012 19:40:30 UTC | #942932

Go to: Moral Clarity and Richard Dawkins

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The so-called moral clarity must not be confused with simplism or populism .

But , i do agree ,somehow , with Sam Harris regarding his " who says science has nothing to say about morality ?" lecture :

I think everyone would agree with the man in the sense that one would consider his/her own morality as truer than any other , as a matter of fact , ironically enough .

Tue, 22 May 2012 19:12:04 UTC | #942906

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Comment 15 by Red Dog :

Comment 9 by casaoui-cool :

Comment 6 by Peter Grant : ...

PZ is right. We don't respect their ridiculous beliefs and I don't see why we should to pretend to. When they stop believing nonsense they can join our group, but until they do we will keep ridiculing them. I'd even go so far as to say that we have a moral obligation to do so.

You seem to be totally unaware of the fact that what you were saying was / is the very definition of ...fascism, ironically enough .

Congratulations .

What makes you think you possess or monopolise the truth, buddy ?

Ridiculous pretentious intolerance : science should make you humble, people .

P.S.: I do think, at the other hand , that all beliefs , cultures , thoughtstreams ...do have some elements of truth here & there , to some extent at least ,including the secular or atheistic ones ,so.

Yes, its amazing that people who claim to be dedicated to "critical thinking and evidence-based understanding" can take such intolerant closed minded views.

BTW, I don't personally think that all beliefs have some elements of truth. I think some beliefs such as Christianity are just wrong. However, its ridiculous to automatically assume that just because you disagree with someone on a particular issue that you treat that person with contempt until they agree with you.

Even more than my belief in atheism is my belief in reason. And to have reasonable debates and analysis with others its essential that you treat people with respect even when, especially when, you disagree with them.

Exactly :

I can only agree with you, my friend : very wise words you put there , for us all to reflect on indeed .

It's really amazing to see how many of these kindda self-declared rational atheists behave so irrationally & exclusively ,if not via a fascist way , excluding all non-atheistic thought via these silly undemocratic irrational destructive ways ,unfortunately enough .

Why can't people just let everybodyelse believe in what she/he wanna believe in ?

When are we , humans, gonna stop pretending to possess or monopolize the truth ?

The very simple fact that what we do know is almost nothing compared to what we absolutely do not know & the fact that every single human being seems to have a certain amount of free will, should be reasons enough for us all to be more tolerant with each other , more compassionate ....more nice to each other .....showing our compassion for our mutual ignorance , ......................

Mon, 21 May 2012 20:57:04 UTC | #942676

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Comment 16 by xsjadolateralus :

However, its ridiculous to automatically assume that just because you disagree with someone on a particular issue that you treat that person with contempt until they agree with you.

Hypothetical:

Person A thinks person B should die. Person B disagrees and gives reasons. Person A disregards reasons and insists person B should die.

Well, by your standards, we shouldn't treat them with contempt. Nor those who think we should be splattered on pavement, bombed to annihilation, take away child/woman rights, secularism. We shouldn't treat them with contempt.

Psychopaths, we shouldn't treat that person with contempt. Child rapists... You can see where I'm going here.

No, it isn't so simple. Some people need to be held accountable to what they say and do and sometimes contempt is the apt response.

It's not that we simply disagree, in other words. We disagree on things that determine life and death of children, rights, the future of civilization. Some ideas are only worthy of contempt, like those I've listed.

You are making wrong analogies & false comparisons

Besides :

What do you think makes you, of all people, the judge of just that ?

Don't you know that objectivity does not exist , not even at the level of exact sciences,let alone elsewhere ?

What makes you think you can be objective , of all people ?

Don't you think we ,as believers , can judge you the same way you do regarding ourselves ?

Have you ever heard of the golden rule for example ? ...of democracy ? ..of the freedom of belief, of thought, individual freedom , the freedom of speech ....?

Then wat ? should we try to erase each other from this planet or try to work together with each other as way many atheists & belivers already do ?

You do sound like the most religious fanatics ever , ironically enough : they are your best friends ever : you need ech other , you cannot exist without each other , those religious fanatics are the reason you exist as an atheistic fanatic , you love each other , you feed on each other ...

Congratulations for your intolerant destructive words : very 'constructive " positive attitude indeed

Mon, 21 May 2012 20:48:42 UTC | #942674

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