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Go to: The atheist who tried to steal Christmas

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Comment 32 by Richard Dawkins :

Saying what Dawkins thinks is beyond the reach of evidence and so a cowardly accusation.

Yes. But it comes naturally to a faith-head because they are accustomed to telling people what God wants us to do, what God values, what God disapproves of and so on. They have got so used to making all that up as they go along – and never being challenged – that it comes naturally to them to make up what human beings are thinking.

Richard

The trouble is that they actually believe what they say is factual.

My son is only 2 1/2 years old, but even now it is evident that his little brain may be moulded in whatever way his mother and I choose, were we so inclined. I will have no need to mention "atheism" or "non-belief" as concepts until such time as he comes home one day and asks about something he heard from a class-mate. Even then, I am fairly sure he will be able to work it out for himself.

It is my contention that the actual physical wiring of the brain is affected during its formative years by aggressive religious indoctrination. Even those who, as adults, end up rejecting such childish notions through rational analysis can often still have to fight against the hard-coded god meme in the infected part of the brain (maybe even the whole brain in some fashion).

Those such as Larry Taunton are capable of writing utter tosh with utter conviction because not only does he fervently believe it to be true, but he insists that it must be true.

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:15:46 UTC | #903133

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Comment 16 by Paula Kirby :

May I be so bold as to describe this as a "KirbySlap"? (Hitch would have been proud of such forensic rebuttal)

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:44:34 UTC | #903125

Go to: Why I refuse to debate with William Lane Craig

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Comment 729 by skakos :

Sorry, I am "busy" and cannot answer you post right now.

PS. How does that even sound like?

It sounds like you not understanding the context of this discussion.

Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:26:02 UTC | #885310

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Comment 719 by skakos :

So if someone holds his right to deny a challenge, he is not in any position to deny the other side the right to make public use of that denial. For me it is as simple as that.

So if I challenge you to a debate and you politely refuse it's okay for me to repeatedly call you out as a coward and claim victory by mocking you with the use of an empty chair as a prop? No-one would deny that you have the right to shoot your mouth off in public, but you do so at your risk when it starts to become libelous. Not only that, there is the important issue, at least to those of us with ounce of dignity, of behaving with some degree of ethical sensibility.

PS. As for the methods used by Craig I do not see the problem. If his methods are so foul as you state, then I guess it would be no problem for Dawkins (I do not use the term "professor" for any of them - the title one has does not make any difference to me if his arguments or thinking is invalid) to show that off to the public with minimum effort. Correct?

Only as a last resort as per this thread. I doubt there are enough hours in the day for Dawkins to respond publicly to everyone who contacts him requesting some sort of reply. Why exactly is Craig so important that he merits a stream of public replies? (Since you have decided that qualifications are no longer relevant, you cannot use them as part of your argument, so try something else).

Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:04:57 UTC | #885304

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Comment 720 by achromat666 :

susanlatimer,

Not at all, I think both work well to bring the whole point home.

And the media circus aspect you touch upon hit the nail on the head pretty effectively.

Agreed. Both of your comments should serve as an excellent coda to this thread which I might add has been fascinating.

Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:46:51 UTC | #885296

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