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Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:43:59 UTC | #521291

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Welcome Greg.

Thu, 13 May 2010 04:15:35 UTC | #469431

Go to: Nate Phelps on growing up in 'the most hated family in America'

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I completely agree with you. I understand that the real reason we are altruistic and treat others well is because it is in our best interest. I also understand that there are plenty of other reasons to have hope in life. I get all this.

I have moved past that to the question of HOW? How do we make the transition? How do we defeat organized religion and become a world of rational thinkers. It is there that I run into the issues I raise. It is wholly impractical to think that we can simply point out the overwhelming evidence against the notion of god and suddenly everyone is going to let go of their mythology and move to our side.

Identifying some of the practical values that people gain from religion is a first step in identifying ways to effectively counter them. I said specifically in my first post that I had no doubt that Elizabeth would have been just as well off if she had clung to a reality based belief system during her tribulation. But how do we get the world to start teaching it to their kids?

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:06:00 UTC | #452166

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If I might weigh in on this issue raised by PsyPro. evolutionman comes closest to explaining where I am on this topic. First, I DO NOT believe in the existence of any god proposed by the religions of this world. I accept the feebly slight possibility that there is something out there that we might, were we made aware of it/him/her, call god.

But as I take this journey away from the ideology of Christianity, I still struggle with the practical question of replacing the positive effects that religious beliefs have on society. In my interview with Kevin I told him about watching an Opera show with Elizabeth Smart on it. For those who don't recall, Elizabeth is the young girl who was kidnapped at the age of 14 and forced to live with a couple of nut cases for nearly a year before she was rescued.

When she was asked how she survived in the midst of that madness, she referenced her certainty that if she died she would be with her parents in their Mormon heaven. I turned to my fiance and asked her "how can I speak against that?" In my mind that's a fair question. It is in no way an acceptance of the notion of god, but rather an acknowledgment that my position doesn't yet offer a valid alternative.

Of course I think that her parents could have taught her something different that would have worked just as effectively in keeping hope alive during her trial. I also think that "something" could be rational and myth free.

It's like Hamas in the middle east. They advocate violence and destruction but manage to garner acceptance from the masses by ALSO providing much needed support for the poor. Looking into the future, if we are to defeat organized religion, we must offer genuine alternatives to the mythology of religion.

It's a long road. Efforts like "Non-Believers Giving Aid" are a step in that direction.

Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:18:00 UTC | #451632

Go to: Dawkins preaches to the deluded against the divine

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"...the fact remains that Christianity and the Hebrew Bible form the foundation stone of Western civilisation and its great cause of human equality and freedom."


Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:10:00 UTC | #449992

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