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JonLynnHarvey's Avatar Jump to comment 34 by JonLynnHarvey

I am uncertain why DoctorE, Tyler Durden, Gnuatheist, ANTIcarrot, and myself were all demoted to the "Alternate Comment Thread" as "troll"s. The gist of all five such comments is not much different from anyone else's here.

And it is very unusual for posts from FIVE users to get so demoted.

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:46:00 UTC | #390375

Go to: Catholic turn for 2 Colorado hospitals

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BlueCollar8theist,
The secular hospital staffed by trained physicians did not emerge until the 18th century, prior to which in the West it was an entirely religious institution, though it appeared originally in India.
The first hospital in the world was built in Sri Lanka, and the institution was given a huge boost by the Buddhist King Ashoka. In the pre-Christian West, Romans had a few for sick soldiers and slaves, but the institution was given a huge boost by the Christian church after the Council of Nicea when it was ordered there be built a hospital in every cathedral town. They were virtually always staffed by monks and nuns. The first hospital in many European countries were religious as were all the earliest American hospitals.
In spite of the emergence of secular hospitals, the majority of hospitals in the USA remain religious which makes them tax-exempt, and with occasional leverage to offer free care as charity. Almost no research hospitals are religious.

Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:21:00 UTC | #390197

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JonLynnHarvey's Avatar Jump to comment 97 by JonLynnHarvey

On the ontological argument, Bertrand Russell said
"The argument does not, to a modern mind, seem very convincing, but it is easier to feel convinced that it must be fallacious than it is to find out precisely where the fallacy lies." I agree.

Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:01:00 UTC | #388202

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I should add as someone with more of Ruse's sensibilities than most posters here, even I cannot understand Ruse's civility to William Dembski, whose manipulation of math and information theory is patently dishonest and self-serving. I personally could extend this attitude to Francis Collins, but not to WD.

If Francis Collins is a Don Quixote figure, Dembski is more like a mad scientist from a Jules Verne story. I often adopt Ruse's attitude to the Templeton foundation, but the Discovery Institute, never!!

Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:40:00 UTC | #388179

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JonLynnHarvey's Avatar Jump to comment 65 by JonLynnHarvey

To say that "original sin" is psychologically truthful depends a lot on whose version of original sin you are talking about. Classic Calvinist teaching on "total depravity"? The much weaker Eastern Orthodox version according to which its essentially an "environmental" problem? (They don't say it that way, but it's essentially their position.) Some Christian writers employ the notion to level shame across class boundaries (potentially a somewhat good thing)- more often these days it is employed to make God a Mafia blackmailer- follow me or burn.

Quakerism is a particularly benign and humane form of religion, and it is not surprising that an ex-Quaker would have these sentiments. It is a part of my own background as well.

Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:21:00 UTC | #388167

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