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Go to: Opening minds

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...and yet, even in Britain we're getting more and more faith schools and other pandering drivel on a daily basis.

The situation isn't much better overseas. Watching the Republican National Committee the last few nights made me realise that it's highly likely that McCain will be elected & promptly die of old age, and then we'll have a worse fundy at the head of the free world than the current one, plus the educated young people who are behind Obama will lose hope in the political process, thus leaving the field wide open to the IDiots for another generation.

Or maybe I just need a nice sit down and a cup of sugary tea...

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:36:00 UTC | #229997

Go to: Charlie Brooker's screen burn

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Charlie rules, I loved his review of 'The Enemies of Reason':

Inevitably, the world of science and logic is slowly fighting back. Hence the recent slew of anti-God books, one of which, The God Delusion, was written by Richard Dawkins, writer-presenter of The Enemies Of Reason (Mon, 8pm, C4). Dawkins has softened his style somewhat since his previous series, The Root of All Evil, in which he toured the globe interviewing religious extremists. Trouble was, their views made him so uppity, he occasionally came off worst. They remained eerily calm, while he huffed furiously. And because he looks and sounds precisely like Professor Yaffle from Bagpuss, the end effect was often unintentional hilarity.

In The Enemies of Reason he's still angry - how couldn't he be? - but this time round Dawkins controls his temper, focusing it like a laser beam, taking on spirituality and superstition in all its forms. The overall tone is less hectoring, more persuasive, and occasionally outright playful. It's more likely to win people over.

The end result is possibly the most important broadcast of the year so far; important because it presents a passionate argument we really all ought to be having right now, if we want to prevent a great slide backwards into mud-eating barbarism. And if you think that's hyperbole, I suggest you pick up a newspaper and see how many of the world's problems are currently being caused or exacerbated by the rejection of rational thought. From fundamentalist death cults to arrogant invasions: a startling lack of logic unites them all.

Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:28:00 UTC | #212189

Go to: Red hot enlightenment led me to believe in one fewer god

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what do you call automobile blinkers

Indeed Shaden, I'd say "indicators", strange how things are lost in translation (maiden/virgin springs to mind!)

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:41:00 UTC | #206555

Go to: Red hot enlightenment led me to believe in one fewer god

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I can't say that I've seen a horse with blinkers

In Britain we call them blinkers, not blinders, so I guess the Aussies are the same...

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:40:00 UTC | #206327

Go to: Red hot enlightenment led me to believe in one fewer god

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I'm interested in the quote from Stephen F. Robert. It is similar to one of Richard's statements (video and print); I wonder who coined it first?

I had a little search and found this:

...Yep, that's me! I am the author of the above quote which has become a bit of a popular statement throughout the net (and some in the real world too).

...I first used The Quote as a tag line for postings on the newsgroups alt.atheism and talk.atheism at some point before October 1995. I don't remember exactly when I started using it, and unfortunately lost my mailer that would have contained the archive. The earliest records that have is back to 1995, and by October 1995 it apeared 'widespread' in taglines, so I must have originated it sometime before then. Most likely early 95 or late 94.

...The Quote is an original quote that came from an online debate I was having with religious people in the newsgroups. I used the a similar comparison in a debate when my opponent wondered why I ignored the evidence for god, and in return, I wondered why my debate opponent chose to ignore the evidence for Shiva, or Zeus, or any of the other possible gods.

...I then slightly refined and shortened it the next day to the 'modern' form it is now to use in a tagline. Within days, The Quote was in use by others in their taglines (I added my name as an attribute a few weeks later when people asked me if it was my original quote).

...About a month later, I made another variation of the quote that also appears sometimes: "We are all atheists, some of us just believe in fewer gods than others"... but it never quite got the popularity of the original :-)


Since that time, I've occasionally ego-surfed to see how the quote has moved out around the world.

Interestingly, as the quote moved out, it seemed to become attributed to "other" Stephen Robertses. Its funny sometimes to see who people attribute the quote to.

I've also occasionally been accused of plagarism and stealing the quote from others.

I have no doubt that others have said similar things throughout time (afterall, its not like the general concept of atheism was made up by me). But I didn't know about any of the others when I first penned the quote (remember this was 94-95, there was no wikipedia or google to look things up with).

I just had the luck to put together the phrase right at the dawn of the modern Internet age. :-)

Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:31:00 UTC | #206315

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