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Go to: Not All Those Who Question Evolution Are Creationists

Christopher Davis's Avatar Jump to comment 67 by Christopher Davis

SteveCard,

Here's the problem; you claim that organs such as the eye are improbable, they are not.

When people give you these ridiculous odds in scientific notation that are misportraying how natural selection really works.

A simple analogy...

The odds of flipping a coin and getting 250 "heads" in row is astronomical IF you have to start over every time a "tails" appears. However, if you start with 250 coins and attempt to flip them until all are on "heads" the outcome is certain. Natural selection is a cumulative process that preserves what has come before. Think about that. 

Fri, 07 May 2010 23:13:09 UTC | #467650

Go to: Creationism propaganda for children caught on camera

Christopher Davis's Avatar Jump to comment 145 by Christopher Davis

bethe123,

It's not so much that it's religion, I have the same opinion regarding parents who teach their kids racist ideas or don't teach them how to eat properly and exercise. I also think it is abusive to let kids watch 6-8 hours of shitty TV everyday. But like I said, those are just my opinions.

There is obviously a bright-line regarding direct physical abuse, but other types of abuse are more subjective. That being said, I disagree with the idea that the government should make a habit of regulating what opinions parents can express/promote to their children.

Sat, 01 May 2010 03:43:00 UTC | #464462

Go to: Creationism propaganda for children caught on camera

Christopher Davis's Avatar Jump to comment 131 by Christopher Davis

bethe123,

I thought we were on the same side? Just joking. My early experience with church was much the same as yours.

However, I stand by my assertion that this is a form of abuse. That said, I also think allowing your children to get fat is a form of abuse. I classify any abdication of parental responsibility as abuse, but I also realize that much of what I consider abdications of parental responsibility are simply my opinion. Also, I wouldn't want to try and legislate something like this and blur the boundaries of bright-line abuse.

Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:51:00 UTC | #464407

Go to: Creationism propaganda for children caught on camera

Christopher Davis's Avatar Jump to comment 115 by Christopher Davis

Steve,

You make a good point, and I believe the smoking analogy is a good one...but I also think it further supports my point.

If the children were actually being forced (or even coerced) to smoke you would have a case. But even if someone was blatantly lying and telling kids that smoking isn't harmful, if it is at a private function with the parent's approval, the government's hands are tied.

Let's face it, none of those children drove themselves to that event. The crap those kids were hearing in that lecture most probably reflects the views of the parents...so do we criminalize the parents if they express similar views in front of their kids? Back to your analogy, should parents be arrested for smoking in front of their kids?

In a democracy you need to be very careful about what you label as child abuse. If exposure to creationist bullshit qualifies as abuse, then what is there to stop laws from being passed that qualify exposure to a homosexual lifestyle as being classified as abuse? Or even an atheistic lifestyle for that matter? I'm not normally an advocate of the "slippery slope" argument, but in this case I think it fits.

For what it is worth, I agree with you that this is a form of abuse. However I still believe that having the government mandate what people may or may not teach/tell their children is a step in the wrong direction.

Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:59:00 UTC | #464374

Go to: Creationism propaganda for children caught on camera

Christopher Davis's Avatar Jump to comment 102 by Christopher Davis

Okay, I've read all the comments now.

While I obviously agree this is vile, I can't agree with the call to get the government involved.

It's not at all clear to me from this video that these speakers are speaking at a public school. If they are not, if this is a private school or church-sponsored activity, then there is no violation of the separation between church and state. As for classifying this as child-abuse...as disgusting as this is, I don't think you can make a legal case, and in fact I don't think it would be a good idea to try.

Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:08:00 UTC | #464351

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