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Both of the clauses you cite deal with the scope of the powers of the rest of them. So which of the rest of the clauses gives the government the power? There MUST be an enumerated power according to the Tenth Amendment. Where is it?


Would you remove federal funding for schools?"

Yes. Most of the problems with our schools can be traced back to Federal intervention.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:29:00 UTC | #222978

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"Where did that bogus 'fact' come from?"

Congressional Budget Office. Stop calling things "bogus" until you've looked them up.

"You, of course, missed the point of excessive profit."

Oh, well how lucky we all are to have YOU to tell us what's "excessive"!

So, tell us: how much of their retirement pensions should the elderly give up before the profits stop being "excessive"?

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:27:00 UTC | #222039

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Hellene: you're looking at the wrong section. The Preamble doesn't give any power whatsoever to the government. The government's enumerated powers are outlined in Article I Section 8, the clauses of which are:

1) Taxation, and setting the scope of the remaining powers to only that which promotes the general welfare and provides for the common defense;

2) Borrowing money;

3) Securing open commerce;

4) Uniform Naturalization and Bankruptcies;

5) Coining money and setting the standard of weights and measures;

6) Punishing counterfeiters;

7) Post offices and roads;

8) Copyrights and patents;

9) Setting up Federal courts;

10) Punishing piracy

11) Declaring war

12) An Army

13) A Navy;

14) Ruling the land and naval forces;

15) Calling forth the militia;

16) Organizing the militia;

17) Running the seat of government; and

18) Doing anything necessary and proper to put the rest of the above into action.

Now, where in there is funding for stem cell research?

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:25:00 UTC | #222037

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J Mac:

The ones I remember off the top of my head are one from Dr. Robert Goldberg of Brandeis University, and a separate one from Dr. Mary J. Ruwart, former biochemist and research scientist with Upjohn.

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:09:00 UTC | #221924

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"The party 'realizing a profit' from the research will most likely restrict it by charging a high price to recover their investment quickly and then want 10 or 20 billion dollars more."

Yes, heaven forbid we should have a system that pays for itself and incentivizes future innovations!

"We pay either way but govt funding will cost us less."

NO IT DOES NOT. Government loses ONE THIRD of the money just by collecting it in taxes. Another 20% is lost just getting it through the government bureaucracy. And that's without considering the inefficiencies of each individual department!

Laurie Fraser:

"Oh, yes it is, mate. That's what government is for, inter alia - to make available to all people the benefits that flow from research,"

No, government is there to preserve our liberty.

"and if the research isn't properly funded, or haphazardly funded, those benefits don't come."

You mean, like, affordable heating, the telephone, mass communication, electricity, artificial lighting, computers, the canning and freezing of food, accessibility for the handicapped, textiles, baby formula, typewriters, elevators, refrigerators, water purification, photography, the Yale lock, the vacuum cleaner, toilet paper, linotype, modern architectural and engineering concepts, pens, pencils, anesthetics, surgery, blood transfusions, stethoscopes, music and sound recording, X-Rays, and many others? And that's NOT including the 20th century!!!

"Enough of this fake small government, libertarian nonsense, please!"

Yes, to Hell with liberty and the Constitution! Who needs that outdated crap?


You've hit on a BIG problem with our regulatory system. They're practically paranoid about keeping drugs and procedures off the market if there's any real chance of any deaths as a result, but they DON'T weigh this against the deaths that would be prevented by the new drug or procedure. Various estimates say that regulations have killed 3-10 times as many people as they've saved!

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:23:00 UTC | #221803

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