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Go to: Richard Dawkins on Why Evolution Trumps Creationism

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Googling "Eastern Groin Groper" I find only two references; one to Bryson and one to Dawkins (apparently quoting Bryson). Could Bryson have made this up? There is a fish called the Eastern Blue Groper.

Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:13:00 UTC | #450759

Go to: The faith trap

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In a similar situation, I have said "Let us all say grace silently, after the fashion of Quakers", and after about half a minute, "Thank you" or "Amen", and everyone is satisfied.

Or where a form of words is demanded (and not specified, as one seems to be at Oxford), I say something like "Let us bring our minds together to give thanks to all the forces and people who have produced and prepared this food, and combined to bring us together here to share and enjoy it, and each other's company." In those terms, the idea of grace is quite benign.

By speaking in general terms, you can include any deities that others may believe in, while not doing violence to your own beliefs.

And a nod to Deep Fritz.

I'm a little puzzled by "I ... refrain from calling ostentatious attention to my unbelief" though. Hasn't he done that a bit already? When you're Richard Dawkins, probably the most famous atheist on the planet, doesn't saying grace equally ostentatiously call attention to your unbelief as well?

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:35:00 UTC | #450670

Go to: Richard Dawkins - Radio Live Interview

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12. Comment #469960 by huzonfurst on March 17, 2010

I have to quibble with Richard when he described atheism as "the belief there is no god." This is not accurate, because strictly speaking it is the *lack* of a belief. Calling it a belief plays into the hands of the deluded, enabling them to put religion and atheism/science on the same level - and now they can point to Richard Dawkins to support this claim.
Put it in context, the caller wanted to know the difference between atheism and agnosticism, so RD gave the strong forms of both.

(I don't know why he and others think the distinction is too hard for newcomers:

1a. plain (I won't say "weak") agnostic: I don't know if there are god/dess/es or not.
1b. strong agnostic: Nobody can know if there are god/dess/es or not.

2a. plain atheist: I don't believe there are any god/dess/es.
2b. strong atheist: (I believe) There are no god/dess/es.

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:37:00 UTC | #450536

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13. Comment #469985 by biggles1 on March 17, 2010

The numerologist was an absolute crack-up! I wonder if he still would have arrived at his mysterious series of 7's if he'd analysed Genesis in its ORIGINAL HEBREW....!!

I think he said it did. RD's answer was good, but I think what also needs to be said is that those games have no rules. You're allowed to look for any kind of pattern, and whatever pattern you find "proves" what you wanted to prove.

Look at it from the other end, this guy is saying God said "I'll dictate my Sacred Word to these prophets, and in it I'll put this pattern of sevens to, um, to... umm.... well, I'll just put it in anyway because I can."

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:29:00 UTC | #450533

Go to: Dawkins preaches to the deluded against the divine

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48. Comment #469984 by Phasic on March 17, 2010

Geocretin said:
Notice: Vileness and lies concentration exceeds 6.022 x 10^23 per paragraph..
Are you calling Melanie Philips a lying mole?
Damn! I posted that (without the "lying" and a capital M) but it didn't arrrive. Still, I thought I'd 'ave a g[adr]o.


And she seems stupider than a worm-cast.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:20:00 UTC | #449940

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