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Go to: Moody Bible Radio Discovers 'The Clergy Project' - interview with Teresa MacBain

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I agree with comment 1. Do NOT waste your time listening to this. I got about two minutes into it and found so many errors of fact I shook my head and hit the Back button

I made it into the third minute but hit the off button when the announcer said...."if you believe in God you cannot possibly believe in science,that there are too many questions that cannot be answered by the word of God but oh apparently Charles Darwin had em all down pat".

I haven't got the patience to listen to these ignorant,superstitious naked apes anymore. How people like Theresa put up with them I don't know.

Wed, 30 May 2012 12:32:10 UTC | #944475

Go to: From Minister To Atheist: A Story Of Losing Faith

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Back on Topic, something that I feel I should have added in my first post is this. Living a lie like Teresa MacBain has been doing is not only asinine and hypocritical but also rather cowardly. These are not criticisms of her as a person but on her method of dealing with her predicament. I understand such a transistion is huge for many people and difficult. I just know from my own life that it's much less painful all around to act swiftly on such things. I always despair when I listen to homosexuals for example who lived in the closet for years/decades before having the courage to come out. Once out, they seem to say the same thing. They wished they'd done it years ago. Living a life of duplicity, you may think you are fooling people, but really you are only fooling yourself.

I disagree, people are incredibly different in all aspects of life and the pace of changing ones world view is personal. You claim to be not criticising the person but rather the method of changing her life? What you're failing to grasp is the method we choose is a reflection of who we are, in other words, Teresa realised her atheism at the right time and pace for her.

Instead of describing her actions as cowardly or hypocritical or describe her transition as "living a lie" maybe you could take a step back, put yourself in her shoes and be a little more understanding and a little less judgemental.

What this woman has done [if I could paraphrase NASA] is not only a huge step in her life but ultimately....if we see a snowball effect.... a huge step for the human species.

Wed, 02 May 2012 02:32:35 UTC | #938921

Go to: Sidebar: Pastor’s loss of faith started with loss of hell

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These ex clergy are my new heroes. I would like to think that I'd have the strength to come out if I was in their position but I'm honestly not sure especially if I lived in the deep south. Given all they have to lose...job, money, identity, family etc these guys are brave naked apes indeed!

Tue, 01 May 2012 04:02:18 UTC | #938564

Go to: From Minister To Atheist: A Story Of Losing Faith

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On a side note, Teresa's family dynamics must be interesting...her husband supports her while he himself believes in God....a rare breed in that part of the world I would imagine so hats off to him I say!

If the tables were turned and my wife came home and announced she had found "The Lord" , I'd be packing my bags and getting the property settlement done in record time.

Tue, 01 May 2012 02:13:35 UTC | #938534

Go to: From Minister To Atheist: A Story Of Losing Faith

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Before this thread turns into a massive love-in for Ms MacBain, can I just ask if anyone else here thinks that this is a rather cruddy way for someone to deal with an issue like this? This lady says that she's an atheist. Not an agnostic; not having doubts about her calling: an atheist. As such, she should have resigned her post as soon as she realised she was one. To do otherwise shows a lack of respect for those she ministered to and who paid her salary. Because as much as we in the atheist 'community' may decry the people who attend churches, we're being disingenuous if we deny that the relationship between them and their pastors can have enormous significance in their lives. She says that she prays for the sick when she knows her prayers will be useless. Well, how will the family members of these people feel if their loved ones die and they discover that the individual they trusted to implore God's mercy on their behalf was faking it? Will they spend the rest of their lives blaming themselves for being taken in by a huckster?

I think this is a bit harsh. If Theresa lived in another secular country other than the USA [and the south to boot] I would say you possibly have a point. Reading the article it's clear she struggled with her consience over the issues you point out and came through with flying colours in my opinion. Praying and receiving a church salary while working through her atheism is hardly something to condemn..... she'd already given the church half her life...I for one have no problem if she received a few extra dollars from this institution while waiting for her "eureka" moment. As for the suggestion of fraudulant prayer surely that's a victimless "crime"? Yes I'm sure some people were horrified to discover prayers for their sick loved ones were muttered from a non believer but if they wish to believe that prayer works, despite the evidence, [pacebo cases aside] then that is their problem. People need a bit of leeway when changing world views. They need time to adjust and make sure that what they're going through is real. To do what she did in the southern states of America is a rare feat and one that hopefully will soon be commonplace.

Tue, 01 May 2012 01:56:23 UTC | #938527

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