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Go to: How paedophile priest was allowed to evade justice

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'Clerical sex scandal' sounds like a mere controversy, let's not pull any punches with these awful people.

Christian clerics, yet again, caught forcibly fucking young children in the anus and vagina.

I echo 'steveroot's' sentiment above, only to add that I would have certainly killed this cunt.

Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:05:00 UTC | #448661

Go to: Chief exorcist says Devil is in Vatican

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Silly old men.

Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:50:00 UTC | #448659

Go to: Jerry Coyne gets email

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I hope phelps wins.

Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:47:00 UTC | #448658

Go to: Caring for Pets Left Behind by the Rapture

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People, People !!

Get a grip, there will be no looking after pets once the tribulation starts, we will need them for food.

I, for one, have made a note of all the local Christian cats and dogs.

Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:25:00 UTC | #441787

Go to: Teenage girl buried alive in Turkey for talking to boys

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"So you know 10x more about Islam than the average Muslim. Let me shock you, they think the same, they think it is you who is uneducated. That's how inerracy in religion works, everyone knows what they know as inerrant fact, you have just joined the throng of every fervent religious thinker on earth who knows their own interpretation and study has led them to the truth - whilst frowning on the rest of the idiots who have not quite got it.

There, of course, will be no end of Muslims thinking the very same thing of you right now.



The difference between myself and them is they follow conjecture and what they found their forefathers believing in and cannot back up their beliefs with evidence from the Quran.



And - this goes without saying - they will think much the same of your interpretation.

You may not agree with the method of oral transmission from their forefathers through the generations - but this was how the Quran was originally communicated. Arguably putting your faith entirely in a book compiled after the death of Muhammad is the less authentic way to access the Quran.

So you might have read a 20 Century English translation of the Quran written by an ex-Jew - and they (those who subscribe to an interpretation you are sure is wrong) might have read it in the original Arabic / Syriac but you are sure, inerrently so, that you have it right and they have it wrong.

This, in religion, really is not news.

Interpretation is key here. Holy books tend towards a great sea of vague, nebulous, ornamental and decorative allegoric prose - they are not technical manuals for morality or check lists for future facts. They are - either wilfully in search of obfuscation or through the passage of time - pseudo-profunidity, tribal law and mythology left open to broad interpretation.

I am sure you are right that, when asked, a Muslim in support of - for instance - burying live children in the ground might struggle to point to the verse that clearly sanctions this - but we would be looking at religion like a technical manual. I am more than sure there are no end of understandings a Muslim holds that are inferred, reasoned, summarised and interpreted from the Quran rather than read verbatim from clearly stated language.

The whole issue is, of course, much more nuanced than that, you need to ask yourself what needs to be in place for someone to be satisfied that they are doing the right thing as they dig a hole outside their house while their bound and tied daughter lies at the side of the hole crying ?

This all reminds me of listening to reporters, commentators and MPs (and the like) tell us - after an act of religious carnage - that the people who strap high explosives to themselves and walk into a church, hotel, airport are not 'true Muslims' but people who have misinterpreted the Quran.

It matters not that these bombers may have grown up in a large Muslim family, in a muslim country, communed with only Muslims, walked and talked and played and grown with only Muslim friends and schooled and worked with only Muslim colleagues, married a Muslim wife, read and studied the Quran since they could read (or before), attended prayer every day - more than once maybe, and continued to study, engage in and discuss Islam in most every part of their life, with it's edicts permeating their language and dress code and diet and . . . . .

None of this matters when the MP - who himself might have never so much as turned a single page of the Quran or even knowingly met a Muslim - will literally tell us that he knows Islam better than the bombers (perhaps he knows islam 10x better ?) when he says "This is not Islam, these people are rendering a distortion of the Quran".

Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:40:00 UTC | #439560

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