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Arguing with creationists sure gets boring. The creationist present has ignored virtually all challenging posts (including my own).

CFL,

Please check your private messages.

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:17:00 UTC | #331221

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savingappearances1,

Please read my above post (439).

righton,

"I once knew a YE creationist who was a very liberal Christian, was tolerant of gays, etc."

Really? I once knew on who wasn't.
So? I never said they're all liberal Christians.

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:51:00 UTC | #331053

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If Timothy were persuaded by a friend that the good-book insists that homosexuality were a bad thing, and caring people who practice their homosexuality (no matter how loving, caring and moral they are) were less liked by god - so much so that they will surely go to hell, then Timothy would actively do things (vote?) that might limit the rights of homosexuals.
Well that's a good point, if he's a Biblical literalist. I apologize to Hellene, if he is.

Biblical literalism isn't a prerequesite of Young Earth creationism, by the way. I once knew a YE creationist who was a very liberal Christian, was tolerant of gays, etc.

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:28:00 UTC | #331041

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savingappearances1,

My thoughts are consistent on this matter. One may say I am consistently wrong but nonetheless if I believe God has power over time and the things he created then why not believe in 6,000?

It's really no big deal to me and I suppose God could have created things over a longer process of time if he wanted to scratch his nuts for 12 billion years but why would I believe otherwise if I believe in a God that has re-animated dead tissue or has shown he has powers over time? I mean, you folks shouldn't be surprised I believe in each fully blown miracle if you know I believe in the resurrection and the powers God has displayed over time [fig tree, wine making ability]. The thing that should shock you..and me..are those who believe in a God that is powerful enough to rise from the dead but not powerful enough to do the other miracles. That's mad!
But the EVIDENCE actually shows, unmistakably, that the Earth is greater than 6,000 years old. For example, why do the continents jigsaw together and have matching rocks and fossils around the boundaries? Elementary calculations, based on methods taught to first-year physics students, easily show that the Great Flood could not possibly account for the separation of the continents. In fact, a force that could pull apart the continents within 6,000 years is so great that it cannot be accounted for by conceivable events on Earth.

The facts will not change to suit your preferred teleological conceptions. Christians have been well aware of this for hundreds of years. The reason Aristotlian physics failed is that Aristotle's explanations were almost purely teleological (i.e. about the plan of the Designer).

Copernicus, Galileo, Newton and the other founders of the scientific revolution, were all devout Christians. Nevertheless, they abandoned Aristotle's speculation about "purpose" (or "final cause"), and they replaced that doctrine with an explicit reliance on empirical evidence. They would look at the real world and try to see how things really are. Speculation about God's plans would come afterward -- but only afterward.

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:09:00 UTC | #331034

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Hellene,

Mr Choong,

There are over 30 million just like "savingappearances1" in the United States. They vote.
So? I don't understand, how is evolution by natural or the age of the Earth relevant in any matter of politics? We don't know who savingappearances1 voted for; maybe he voted for Obama.

Also, you have no way of knowing there are 30 million who care as deeeply as savingappearances1 about creationism, evolution etc. I bet most of the English would probably say they're "patriots" in opinion polls. But behaviourally, they're not meaningfully patriotic, on the whole.

Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:54:00 UTC | #331026

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