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Dawkins and Krauss heaped a lot of criticism on the astronomy professor who thinks the world is 6,000 years old and on Mitt Romney for being Mormon. I wonder -- would they publicly criticize Bill Maher, who holds some´╗┐ very unscientific medical beliefs, but is also an outspoken atheist?

Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:45:52 UTC | #917189

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See also:

Israelis Clash Over Strict Religious Codes http://www.npr.org/2011/12/28/144364324/israelis-clash-over-strict-religious-codes

Israeli Girl, 8, at Center of Tension Over Religious Extremism http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/world/middleeast/israeli-girl-at-center-of-tension-over-religious-extremism.html?_r=1

Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:19:23 UTC | #903374

Go to: Food for Thought: 2 videos

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Comment 52 by ollipehkonen :

Farm animal sanctuaries are a solution that can keep a few farm animals alive. You will never be able to have a population of farm animals that is comparable to how many currently exist with a sanctuaries-only solution. I don't oppose sanctuaries, but it would be an illusion to think that they can keep hudreds of millions of farm animals alive in happy nursing home conditions. Farm animals numbers will go through the floor if people stop eating meat.

Why is that a problem? We have vastly too many farm animals alive today. We devote too much land and water to growing food for farm animals that should go to people.

Frankly, your argument avoid the fundamental question -- why should humans murder billions of sentient creatures just because we like munching on their muscle tissue? All of this talk about so-called "happy meat" is a distraction.

Happy meat is not a distraction. It might be hard to find in many places around the world, and I can't tell you where to go look other than in the town where I live. The answer to why humans should kill animals is obvious: they are good food. And their sentience is the core of my slightly longer previous post #45. Sentience is something they will never have, if meat eating stops. It's not all sunshine and flowers, but saying that sentient animals die is only one half of the coin. The other half is that they also live.

I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. Farm animals are sentient. It's unconscionable to murder billions of them annually. For the great majority of them, it's better that they not live than live on factory farms.

Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:36:34 UTC | #891652

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Comment 47 by ollipehkonen :

The option where farm animals are not a commodity is the one where there are no farm animals. No sad farm animals, but no happy farm animals either. It is not an option that they live happy live free of care in a nursing home until a death from old age.

What about farm animal sanctuaries? There are several in the US (I don't know about other countries).

Frankly, your argument avoid the fundamental question -- why should humans murder billions of sentient creatures just because we like munching on their muscle tissue? All of this talk about so-called "happy meat" is a distraction.

Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:43:47 UTC | #891637

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Richard interviewed Peter Singer for his "Genius of Charles Darwin" film. Unfortunately, the interview didn't make the film, but it's been posted on YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYYNY2oKVWU

That video was what started me on the path to veganism a few years ago. It was refreshing and eye-opening to see a calm, dispassionate, rational discussion of animal welfare and vegetarianism by two highly educated individuals. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend watching it.

Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:15:37 UTC | #891591

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