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PS - i don't dislike plato or Aristotle. One of my favourite books is Nicomachean Ethics. And i love the Apology.

PS2 - Galileu was eager, in the beggining of his career, to crush Aristotle :-D
What was wrong with Aristotle in Galileo's mind?
I honestly don't know... i can only guess Aristotle was profoundly unscientific by modern standards... or Galileo Standards.

But Galileo was also a bit Arrogant since he ignored the superior models of kepler. I bet some credit must go to Aristotle in the birth of modern science... because logic is important in science... and when it comes to logic, Aristotle is the godfather. But it took someone wanting to crush Aristotle for science to be born...

Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:19:00 UTC | #406335

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18. Comment #424555 by Cartomancer


Why didn't the greeks invent science then? Why wait for Galileu... 2000 thousands years later?
It looks to me that Thales was closer to a scientist than Plato ever was. What happend there?
I mean, after the greeks you have the Romans, very pratical people that adopted the greek culture. I'm sure something like the Roman Empire, with all it's Power, would be perfect for something like science to flourish. But look at the early Roman empire and the the end of it. Compare that with what happend after Galileo. There's something more than just social or political stuff stopping the flourishing of science. I Blame Plato... :)

Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:10:00 UTC | #406331

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Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:55:00 UTC | #406326

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It's also clear, from the book's first pages, that Dawkins isn't very tolerant of his creationist opponents (the book includes a memorably confrontational encounter with Wendy Wright, the creationist president of Concerned Women for America).


If only there was a reason to be tollerent with creationists...

Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:12:00 UTC | #406291

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9. Comment #424516 by kmaglione

In the dark ages they didn't allow knowledge outside the walls of the church. Science needs free trade to progress. But guess what? Aristotle and Plato also Killed the progress of knowledge (Dawkins says so in is book... the thing about essentialism)... for another reason... they didn't like experience (so an Archimedes was a rare thing in Plato time)
But it only makes sense to talk about anti science after Galileo. And the all mess about galileo was triggered because he made fun with the pope. The book where he does it, was actually allowed by the church. In his defence Galileo presented the proof that he didn't do nothing illegal... but the pope didn't care... he wanted to humiliate Galileo.
There's really not a big record of anti science in the catholic church. They can be infamous for other reasons...

Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:19:00 UTC | #406282

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