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87. Comment #486054 by TedPrra

we should always select the method of self-preservation that is the least harmful to others

Lets say you decided to pull the Lever to save the 5 thereby killing the one. Wouldn't that be in line with your quote above?

Consider you are at a hospital and there are 5 people all in need of a transplant of one sort or another (heart, lung, kidney etc...) and without the transplants all 5 were to die.

A healthy man inadvertantly wanders into the hospital where you could remove all his organs and give them to the 5 in need of transplants. Thereby saving 5 and killing one.

94. Comment #486174 by Lucas

cdg123 - No. You leave it to ka, unless you have some other knowledge about the people in the trains.


By Ka, do you mean JA? 90% plus people would pull the lever.

But less than 1 % would take the guy and hand out his organs.

Even though both sacrifice 1 to save 5. There is no such thing as absolute morality as described very well by many on this thread.

Mon, 03 May 2010 22:39:00 UTC | #465525

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87. Comment #486054 by TedPrra

Even as an atheist, I believe there are moral absolutes, that there are human values which always apply. For example, while humans naturally pursue self-preservation, given a range of options on how to conduct ourselves, we should always select the method of self-preservation that is the least harmful to others.I don't believe that this ethic or moral is ever untrue, therefore it is an absolute


Riddle me this....

A train with 5 people is travelling east. Travelling west is an empty runaway train heading directly into the eastbound train with 5 people onboard.

Another train with only one person is traveling north.

You happen to be near the lever that could make the trains switch tracks whereas the runaway train swtiches tracks to now hit the north bound train killing one, but saving 5.

Do you pull the lever?

Mon, 03 May 2010 13:23:00 UTC | #465285

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Bravo Richard! It is amazing how you can sum up a situation. I especially loved your final comment..."wouldn't it be tedious after the first 1000 years" in respect to an afterlife."

Along that line of thinking...I have two boys, 11 and 10 and just a few hours ago we were discussing immortality mostly because they are trying to gage the possibilities of when I may die and by extension them...Ofcouse I gave them the positive answer of 80-90 maybe 100 years.

Then my 11 year old reminded me of the worms that that we saw on the science channel that were living extended lives due to advancement in stopping their cells from deteriation and the fact that they may live much longer due to scientific advancement

I asked if they would like to be brothers for 1000 years. Oliver, my 11 year looked at his brother Ben and said No Thanks! And he said, wouldn't it be tragic (his word) that one day humans could live to be 1000 years old but still be hit by a bus at 18. That would be tragic I told him.

Sun, 02 May 2010 06:09:00 UTC | #464847

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174. Comment #481332 by Steve Zara

I'm sorry to say that I can show her no respect


To her indefensible postions? or to her personally during a debate?

Her positions were clearly debunked in this thread. And thankfully the debate didn't spiral into personal attacks and stayed on point.

Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:21:00 UTC | #460729

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171. Comment #481264 by Quine

The article refers to Ratzingers nickname as "God's rotweiller". What in the hell has he been fiercely guarding? pedophiles.

Regardless, he's no match for "Darwin's rotweiller".

I give Theresa kudos for at least coming into the belly of the beast. No matter she is an apologist.

C

Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:15:00 UTC | #460597

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