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          [Comment 176](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=6#comment_943999) by  [Tyler Durden](/profiles/10658)          :


             .> In what **language** do you read your bible, Koine Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew, or English?And more importantly, what **version of the bible** do you read?

what difference does any of this make?

Mon, 28 May 2012 16:54:00 UTC | #944001

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          [Comment 174](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=6#comment_943996) by  [Tyler Durden](/profiles/10658)          :


               How can you call Yahweh "good" based on the official record of his very own deeds?>

Who keeps the "official" record? How do you calculate that, 24 million, number?

Mon, 28 May 2012 16:51:54 UTC | #944000

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          [Comment 170](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=6#comment_943990) by  [Anvil](/profiles/38927)          :


                 > Comment 169 by bobcat1> > You know as well as I do that Darwins theory has holes in it thathave to be filled in with imagination> to make it work.> Sorry, Bobcat1, this is news to me? What holes do you know of?Anvil.

Let's see, how many skeletons have been reconstructed from a tiny amount of actual bone and the rest from human imagination ? How many "neanderthals" and other human forms, or what was hoped to have been some intermediate, have been reconstructed from very small amounts of actual remains and very large amounts of human imagination? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, you can't just rebuild an animal or human to fit what someone, who already doesn't want there to be a creator, would like for it to be with so little actual remains to prove it and call it good. Surely you also must know that scientists, that are wanting Darwin to be completley right, assume an age for something, then choose a dating method that they believe will yield them a result that closely matches what they already wanted it to be. Then if it doesn't match, they keep testing it until they get the result they are looking for and don't report all their finds until they have what they want.

 Dating methods have assumptions built  into them to start with. Those dating methods are built on assumptions that certain things, like the amount of carbon in the atmosphere for example, have remained constant forever. But exactly what the atmosphere was like millions of years ago, or before anyone was measuring it or could measure it, no one can really know, but they can only assume. The method is not nearly as unbiased as one would be led to believe.

Mon, 28 May 2012 16:48:02 UTC | #943998

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          [Comment 168](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=6#comment_943984) by  [epeeist](/profiles/4293)          :


                  Even better was that his speculation survived testing and has continued to do so for the last 150 years. As such it has become one of the best tested scientific theories ever.>

Testing by individuals who would, already, rather believe anything than to believe that there is a God and that He's actually good. You know as well as I do that Darwins theory has holes in it that have to be filled in with imagination to make it work.

Mon, 28 May 2012 15:46:21 UTC | #943986

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          [Comment 163](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=6#comment_943963) by  [Alan4discussion](/profiles/147783)          :


                <You seem to have cut your list list of religions rather short -  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities]>

raytoman only asked for one , so I gave him the one and only true and living example. Jesus Christ is the God of all gods who are no gods at all.

          [Comment 163](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=6#comment_943963) by  [Alan4discussion](/profiles/147783)          :

Now all you have to do is show that such a person existed and that there is any historical evidence of ANY of his supposed actions.

I would like for you to tell me EXACTLY, in detail, how you would like for me to show this to you. I ask this up front because most of the time an unbeliever will reject any and everything that is presented, even from non-biblical sources. I would like to know what you are expecting as evidence, in other words, what will you not reject as evidence ? Keeping in mind that the individuals who wrote the books of the bible were real living people just like anyone else who writes a book or letter, whether anyone believes the writings were inspired by God or not. It should be considered for historical value if nothing else. As an unbeliever,or anyone else for that matter, you can't prove that the individuals who wrote the books of the bible never existed, and you certainly cant prove what they saw or didn't see and thereby would have had first hand, eyewitness testimony of.

Mon, 28 May 2012 15:30:18 UTC | #943983

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          [Comment 146](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=5#comment_943897) by  [VrijVlinder](/profiles/189092)          :


               <.Are you surprised that no one here is willing to accommodate religion and gods aka creationism any more than it is already accommodated ?> 
 No, I'm not surprised at all really. After all, every tree is known by it's fruit.


<People already have a big imagination>

I agree, evolution proves this.

Mon, 28 May 2012 14:44:44 UTC | #943979

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          [Comment 143](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=5#comment_943889) by  [raytoman](/profiles/78788)          :


              just tell me one good thing about religion, just one!
JESUS CHRIST !!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 28 May 2012 03:26:36 UTC | #943893

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Who determines what or whom is an expert and what or whom is an idiot? I'm guessing, from your comment, that you would consider yourself qualified to make that call ?

Sun, 27 May 2012 23:04:14 UTC | #943875

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          [Comment 134](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=5#comment_943851) by  [All About Meme](/profiles/175962)          :


 <Creationism isn't science, dear bobcat.  They don't belong in the same breath, let alone in the same science classroom.>
I understand that it's not science and I never said that it would need to be or should be taught in the same classroom. But any country that takes real choices away from people ends up with a dictatorship. I'm sure that there are people out there that wouldn't want what we believe forced down their throats anymore that than we want what they believe forced down ours. Lay all views out there, then you have choices, when you have choices you also have freedom. That's what I was responding to. Jumped Up Chimpanzee was talking about everyone being free to believe what they choose and no specific group having any right to IMPOSE their beliefs on others. I agree with that 100%, but if secularism is the "ULTIMATE AIM', then at some point we will be doing exactly the same thing to others that we DON'T want done to us. Creationism WOULD NOT need to be taught as an equal thing to evolution AT ALL. I mean really, what do have to be afraid of ? If somebody wants to be ignorant and belive something else then let'em. But if we want to continue to have freedom in all aspect of life, there must also be choices. People will NEVER completely agree on anything. Opposition makes us stronger because it drives us to learn more about our given position.   

Sun, 27 May 2012 21:59:51 UTC | #943862

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          [Comment 3](/discussions/645895-so-what-s-the-goal-with-theism/comments?page=1#comment_941661) by  [Jumped Up Chimpanzee](/profiles/103665)          :


                 Secularism should be the ultimate aim. Everybody should be free to believe what they want but not have the right to impose their beliefs or claim privilege because of them.And the most important issue at the moment is to continue to break down the taboo that so many people (even the non-religious) still hold that it is wrong to criticise religion. Once we can break down that particular door, I think it will be a major step to seeing religion really start to crumble.
       If... "Everybody should be free to believe what they want .......and,  not have the right to impose their beliefs or claim privilege because of them."  Then why wouldn't we be ok with letting the schools teach creation as well as evolution ? I mean since evolution is a PROVEN fact anyway,then why not teach creationism also and let them decide for themselves what they want to believe? And then I believe that we truly wouldn't be imposing OUR beliefs on anyone as we also don't want them to do. I believe that the TRUTH will always stand on it's own two legs. Anyone that's truly looking for the truth will find it. I understand that, for us, evolution isn't a belief, but a fact, but there are also a lot of people that would say that they are convinced that what they believe is also "fact." I know that what they believe can't be scientifically proven, but they believe it as a matter of fact and probably aren't going to change their minds anymore than we will change ours.

Let's just be real with ourselves and say that we cant' really explain EVERYTHING about evolution.  A lot of the skeletons are reconstructed from what we imagine might have been, but I'm ok with that because of all the other evidence that doesn't need to be reconstructed. I'm not going to throw out what I do know because of what I don't know. Again, I believe that REAL TRUTH will win out in the end, and WE should also practice what WE preach, so to speak. Nobody is really "free" to believe what they want if only one perpective is offered as an option. WE all want to have the freedom to believe what WE want, but if OUR point of view is the one one taught, to the exclusion of all others, there's no freedom there, and then WE become guilty of doing to others exactly the same thing that we don't want done to us. With true freedom comes true choices.  

Sun, 27 May 2012 19:33:37 UTC | #943843

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@JHJEFFERY

<IT'S NOT ABOUT JEPHTHAH YOU IDIOT, IT'S ABOUT THE GIRL! Any god who would allow a father to "fulfill a contract" by killing his own daughter is a disgrace and automatically disqualified from worship by anything other than pigs.>

I have really been looking into this because it stirred my curiosity.  The difference I saw was that god TOLD Abraham to go sacrifice Issac,and god NEVER TOLD Jephtha to make a vow or anything. Jephtha made the vow all on his own. He did win, but whos to say that he wouldn't have won anyway ? No body forced him to make the vow, and nothing indicates that god actually approved of the vow that Jephtha made. 

 Think about it, since god doesn't exist anyway how could he allow or disallow anything. If the story itself is even true then wouldn't it make more scence that Jephtha acted on his own ? I mean really, since the bible is nonsence and their is no god, why would anyone on here waste their time debating this obviously ficticious story ? 

Thu, 24 May 2012 23:42:39 UTC | #943384

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Comment 64 by JHJEFFERY :

Comment 63 by bobcat1 Sure.

Yahweh cheated on behalf of Jephthah

Thanks for the explanation....How did Yahweh cheat ? or does it say ?

Wed, 23 May 2012 22:08:07 UTC | #943181

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Comment 36 by JHJEFFERY :

Comment 35 by T. stillson If you were a little brighter, you would have realized that the story of the martyred daughter was a trap. I throw it at most literalist Christians who wander onto this site as well as many I meet. The answer is always the same and always wide of the mark.

IT'S NOT ABOUT JEPHTHAH YOU IDIOT, IT'S ABOUT THE GIRL! Any god who would allow a father to "fulfill a contract" by killing his own daughter is a disgrace and automatically disqualified from worship by anything other than pigs. Oh, now I have found that I have libeled pigs--I take that back. If such a being existed, we would have to hunt it down and kill it before it does any more evil--and there is no way you can make the sacrifice of an innocent girl anything but evil.

I don't understand, could you please explain how it's about the girl? what does this story mean?

Wed, 23 May 2012 21:28:37 UTC | #943178