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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 11 by InYourFaceNewYorker

It wouldn't have surprised me if something like this really did happen.

Sat, 21 Jul 2012 02:09:39 UTC | #949706

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 8 by InYourFaceNewYorker

2102? Really?

Thu, 21 Jun 2012 03:54:35 UTC | #947936

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 80 by InYourFaceNewYorker

I think it's pretty straightforward:

Halfway through, she noticed a girl crying.

“The girl was so upset — she was sitting in the dark bawling,” says Mickie Pemberton, the assistant principal at McKnight Middle School in Renton, Washington, a diverse suburb 12 miles from downtown Seattle. “She said she couldn’t watch the video anymore — that it went against everything she believed.”

The story above is about a school, not a university but, even so, what a pathetic little idiot.

Richard

Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:58:23 UTC | #947888

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 78 by InYourFaceNewYorker

I agree that the school did not do anything wrong. My point was, for the umpteenth time, that I thought Richard was insensitive to make such a comment about a kid!

Comment 76 by pinball :

75 from Inyourface NY

That's not the point. We're talking about a kid here. How would Richard feel if someone said something like that about his daughter when she was a kid?

RD said he was angry at her parents (student) for putting her in that position. Kids are coming into schools with their heads so full of shit that a glimpse of the truth sends them into a hysterical panic.

Do schools have to send warning letters to parents informing them that their child will be taught factual knowledge?

Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:23:12 UTC | #947830

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 75 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Well then maybe Richard could clarify for us?

Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:13:42 UTC | #947501

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 71 by InYourFaceNewYorker

I am extremely frustrated that people keep missing my point. This is not about the fact that the 8th grader (13-14 years old) cried but the fact that Richard referred to her as a pathetic little idiot. What part of that is difficult to understand?

As for the crying, since people keep harping on that, I am very tempted to launch into stories about stupid things that I cried over in school as a kid, but I do not want to further derail this thread and get into yet another topic. Once again, my point is that Richard called a 13-14 year old a pathetic little idiot and not why she was crying or even that she cried at all.

Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:04:20 UTC | #946736

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 65 by InYourFaceNewYorker

I'm talking about a KID. A MINOR. Someone A FRACTION OF YOUR AGE. There is an IMBALANCE OF POWER HERE.

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 22:40:33 UTC | #946659

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 63 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Christ, calling kids names is mean. What part of that is hard for you to accept?

Comment 62 by Mark Ribbands :

Comment 60 by InYourFaceNewYorker That's not the point. We're talking about a kid here. How would Richard feel if someone said something like that about his daughter when she was a kid? I would not presume to know how Richard would feel about anything: I have never met the man.

But a gentleman of his intellect is unlikely to beget an idiot child, so I suspect such a comment has never been called for.

If someone said one of my children was an idiot, I would, if the statement was incorrect, disagree, robustly if necessary. But if the comment were factual I would simply agree. Us scientists never deny reality, however unsettling. cf. atheism.

I’m enjoying this exchange :)

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 21:43:32 UTC | #946646

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 60 by InYourFaceNewYorker

That's not the point. We're talking about a kid here. How would Richard feel if someone said something like that about his daughter when she was a kid?

Comment 58 by Mark Ribbands :

Comment 57 by InYourFaceNewYorker No. Sorry. Saying like that about a child -- someone a small fraction of your age -- is wrong. It's cruel. It might also be a wake-up call which causes the recipient to question their belief system: gently (or otherwise) pushing them towards the steep and rocky road of enlightenment. That’s not cruel, that’s helpful in a didactic sort of way.

(BTW, I can’t be bothered to read this whole thread in detail, but it appears the remark was absolutely not made to the individual’s face. Tell me if I’m wrong.)

Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:13:34 UTC | #946575

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 57 by InYourFaceNewYorker

No. Sorry. Saying like that about a child-- someone a small fraction of your age-- is wrong. It's cruel.

Comment 56 by Mark Ribbands :

 I don’t see the problem. If someone exhibits behavior which is pathetic, and idiotic, then you go on to describe them as a ‘pathetic idiot’ one is simply describing reality, based on careful observation of the evidence.

That is exactly what scientists do.

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:40:42 UTC | #946452

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And I bet she's not going on about how it's her faith in Jebus that is making her survive it!

Comment 6 by Richard Dawkins :

Comment 5 by Mark Ribbands :

Hmm…

Whilst I applaud the reckless courage of people who, perhaps unnecessarily, put themselves in such a position – be it lone yachtsmen/women, blokes in bathtubs rowing the Atlantic, stratospheric balloonists, or, my personal favourite, aficionados of extreme ironing – never forget the equal courage of the crews who then need to fly SAR aircraft in, by definition, spectacularly dangerous meteorological conditions to rescue them.

I’m assuming something of the Devil’s advocate position, but is it acceptable for extreme sports-people to expect others to subsequently endanger themselves in rescue attempts?

Yes, I see exactly what you mean. And in many cases they go into it recklessly, without adequate preparation and inadequately equipped, which could justly arouse the ire of the rescue services. I don't think Sarah Outen could be accused of that. She has one hugely successful crossing to her credit, which was extremely well prepared. And also well prepared was the present voyage, which was well on its way to success before the typhoon struck. I think a typhoon is something nobody could reasonably be expected to budget for.

Richard

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:14:15 UTC | #946442

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 55 by InYourFaceNewYorker

The story above is about a school, not a university but, even so, what a pathetic little idiot.

It sounds very clear to me that in this above sentence he is talking about the 8th grader.

Comment 49 by EvN :

Comment 45 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Wait, I thought Richard was referring to the story about the 8th grader. I really couldn't care less if anybody makes the same comments about college students, but I have a problem with adults calling KIDS names. That's the beginning and the end of it. Nothing to do with sex or even the fact that she was crying.

I read this as Richard referring to a college student.

In any event, the misunderstanding is sorted.

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:29:08 UTC | #946348

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This reminds me of the story about the guy who stole Jebus crackers from church and then the priest called the cops to report a kidnapping.

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:21:28 UTC | #946213

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Wait, I thought Richard was referring to the story about the 8th grader. I really couldn't care less if anybody makes the same comments about college students, but I have a problem with adults calling KIDS names. That's the beginning and the end of it. Nothing to do with sex or even the fact that she was crying.

Comment 32 by EvN :

Julie, Richard was speaking about a UNIVERSITY STUDENT - not a "kid" or "child."

You don't know if something else is going on in her life that causes her to get emotional at the drop of a hat.

So any student that had a bad day is welcome to start bawling in class over a disagreement about the academic material?

Nonsense.

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:17:55 UTC | #946210

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Comment 25 by Richard Dawkins :

Halfway through, she noticed a girl crying.

“The girl was so upset — she was sitting in the dark bawling,” says Mickie Pemberton, the assistant principal at McKnight Middle School in Renton, Washington, a diverse suburb 12 miles from downtown Seattle. “She said she couldn’t watch the video anymore — that it went against everything she believed.”

The story above is about a school, not a university but, even so, what a pathetic little idiot.

Richard

Richard,

I agree that it is a really stupid thing to cry over, and it is frustrating how many people get emotional if you so much as suggest that their religion is wrong, but it's a KID. You don't know if something else is going on in her life that causes her to get emotional at the drop of a hat. When I was a kid I cried about stupid things all the time... obviously growing up in a secular Jewish household, religion wasn't one of them, but still... Sorry, I draw the line at calling a child a "pathetic little idiot" for ANY reason. As someone who cried at the drop of a hat as a kid-- and yes, in middle school-- I am sure there were a few insensitive teachers who, at meetings, called me "pathetic" or whatever else. I would think that you are better than that.

My $0.02.

Julie

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:51:07 UTC | #946139

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It's their Culture™ and you have to respect it! :P

Tue, 29 May 2012 14:21:54 UTC | #944227

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I agree. I wasn't ever a math nerd, I don't flap my hands or take things literally, and I never recited train schedules. But those are the people affected who get all the attention!

Comment 12 by aikidokkagirl :

I find the stereotypes applied to people with aspergers very irritating.

Sun, 20 May 2012 21:06:32 UTC | #942496

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So wait, have these bacteria reproduced in 86 million years? Or are they the same lives? I wasn't clear on that.

Sat, 19 May 2012 02:15:33 UTC | #942250

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Who here remembers the 1996 PSAs shown in the US that had the "You're Worth Waiting For" tagline? They always portrayed the girls as victims and the guys as manipulative. One ends with a girl with a baby, saying, "I should have told him 'no.'" Another has images of a girl dying in a hospital. There's a voiceover of a guy saying, "If you don't sleep with me, it means you don't love me," and "I'm not going to get you pregnant, honey," and a very phony sounding, "I love you!"

Julie

Thu, 17 May 2012 14:35:02 UTC | #942033

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He'd better be back in NYC so I can give him another drawing! ;)

Thu, 03 May 2012 15:31:22 UTC | #939383

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 163 by InYourFaceNewYorker

From The Undead, a book I am reading, on pages 329-330:

"I know, I probably pick on poor Richard Dawkins too much, but it is hard not to. He's such a nasty little pill. I agree with much of what he writes, but he exploits real scientists' work without giving adequate credit until years later. He wraps himself in the mantle of Darwin but appears to ignore his ideas. And it is hard to accept as a Darwinist a man who needed three wives to produce a single offspring. Reproduction is where natural selection really counts. Consider Michael Behe, the intelligent-design proponent and polar opposite of Dawkins. He has nine children. One wonders who is more Darwinian and who will ultimately win the evolutionary struggle. Darwin himself had ten children."

Seriously?????

Comment 161 by Richard Dawkins :

Comment 160 by guwest :

Great programme and who was the left wing commentator who thought Dawkins' work led to Thatcher's election, as mentioned in it?

The following is from A Devil's Chaplain

I should be allowed a personal word here because I am tired of being identified with a vicious politics of ruthless competitiveness: accused of advancing selfishness as a way of life. Soon after Mrs Thatcher’s election victory of 1979, Professor Steven Rose wrote, in New Scientist, as follows:

I am not implying that Saatchi and Saatchi engaged a team of sociobiologists to write the Thatcher scripts, nor even that certain Oxford and Sussex dons are beginning to rejoice at this practical expression of the simple truths of selfish genery they have been struggling to convey to us. The coincidence of fashionable theory with political events is messier than that. I do believe though, that when the history of the move to the right of the late 1970s comes to be written, from law and order to monetarism and to the (more contradictory) attack on statism, then the switch in scientific fashion, if only from group to kin selection models in evolutionary theory, will come to be seen as part of the tide which has rolled the Thatcherites and their concept of a fixed, 19th century competitive and xenophobic human nature into power.

The ‘Sussex don’ was John Maynard Smith, and he gave the apt reply in a letter to the next issue of New Scientist: What should we have done, fiddled the equations?

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:52:06 UTC | #938237

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 127 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Ha, nobody has ever let him hear the end of that.

Comment 115 by papa lazaru :

45:20. Nice shorts Richard.

Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:24:41 UTC | #937494

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 118 by InYourFaceNewYorker

So, how was it? Was this the special where Richard talks about his recent DNA test?

Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:33:50 UTC | #937367

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 14 by InYourFaceNewYorker

You're still missing my point. If better social skills led to more intelligence, then why aren't people on the autism spectrum generally dumb? That's what I'm asking about.

Comment 13 by Stafford Gordon :

InYourFaceNewYorker; your point is fascinating.

Perhaps our natural empathy for one another plays a role in nurturing individuals with such difficulties, because the trade off is that society can benefit from their gifts.

I don't know, but it's worth thinking about.

Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:53:12 UTC | #937232

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 7 by InYourFaceNewYorker

That's not my point. My point is shouldn't people on the autism spectrum theoretically be less intelligent than their neurotypical peers?

Comment 6 by papa lazaru :

Comment 5 by papa lazaru :

Comment 1 by InYourFaceNewYorker :

This is really interesting but one thing I do wonder about is this: What about people on the autism spectrum who have savant-like abilities at math, music, art, science, etc, but have no clue about basic social skills? I am interested to know how such a brain profile was "allowed" by evolution if it was social interaction that put selection pressures that resulted in the smartest people and the biggest brains. Ideas anyone?

But these people do contribute to society through their ideas. Society's structures. The fact that we value their input and are able to perpetuate their ideas through language and writing. It sort of skews the genera idea of brute-force natural selection. Who'd want to live in a society govern by it :)

The actual disabilities are just like anything else. Undesirable characteristics or genetic flaws sometimes slip through the net, just like good characteristics can be wasted. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but it's not a black & white situation, although the outcome is (you either make it or you don't).

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:09:56 UTC | #936571

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 1 by InYourFaceNewYorker

This is really interesting but one thing I do wonder about is this: What about people on the autism spectrum who have savant-like abilities at math, music, art, science, etc, but have no clue about basic social skills? I am interested to know how such a brain profile was "allowed" by evolution if it was social interaction that put selection pressures that resulted in the smartest people and the biggest brains. Ideas anyone?

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:54:56 UTC | #936517

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 5 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Ah, an Armenian huh?

Anyway good interview!

Sat, 21 Apr 2012 03:06:38 UTC | #936176

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I wish Dr. Kevorkian could be resurrected and put on this show. He really had an incredible mind. In fact, the documentary about him (yes, there was a documentary; I am not talking about the Al Pacino movie) should be called A Beautiful Mind! Sadly, that title has been taken for a movie about another crazy genius! :)

Julie

Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:10:30 UTC | #935934

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Please, somebody cap this and put it on YouTube!

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:01:44 UTC | #935636

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InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Jump to comment 7 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Don't give them so much credit.

Comment 6 by mmurray :

Comment 5 by InYourFaceNewYorker :

What was the species Richard was referring to that comes close to our level of intelligence?

Catholics ?

Michael

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:30:42 UTC | #935144