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Go to: Simply ... should I read the bible?

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My favorite introduction to the Bible is R. Crumb's Illustrated book of Genesis. It makes you wonder why they call it a 'holy' book.

Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:05:09 UTC | #951170

Go to: Former Louisiana pastor tells humanists about his conversion to nonbelief

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Poorly designed the poll may be, but I think that the result of a majority saying they are 'Not at all' affected is a good thing. Maybe RDFRS could conduct a proper poll and find out whether acceptance of unbelieving politicians is increasing.
In the mean time I wish mr. DeWitt the very best. In the Netherlands there is a pastor, who is holding his job even after writing a book titled 'Believing in a God, who does not exist'. His church is still filled ...

Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:41:04 UTC | #947362

Go to: Russell Blackford replies to "Our Christian cultural bedrock"

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Peter Craven:

Don't we all know at least in the depth of our souls what it feels like to admit that we are guilty of the death of this just man?

No, mr Craven, I don't know. I have no idea what you are talking about. And please, never again try to fool people by writing sentences like this. Keep your delusions private and don't try to project them on to others.

Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:58:47 UTC | #932754

Go to: University of Georgia - commencement prayer

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A prayhead sandwiched between St Mary's en Coca Cola, a sorry sight.

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:27:47 UTC | #932124

Go to: Robert Wright promotes accommodationism, disses Dawkins

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if we don't want atheism to be mocked ...

Apparently you can think of something that would 'mock' atheism. I can't. Please give a few examples.

Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:48:58 UTC | #931674

Go to: Physicists Create Working Transistor Consisting of a Single Atom

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When I started studying physics, electronics was mainly radio tubes: triodes, pentodes and the like.

And now ... Oh my, Oh my ...

Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:35:37 UTC | #920477

Go to: Life Without God: An Interview with Tim Prowse

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Religion is the silent slave trade.

This certainly is a powerful image. It brings visions of long lines of people, chained to each other by the shackles of their dogmas, commandeered forwards by the popes, the imams, the reverends , the ayatollahs ... Forced to chant the concocted rhymes of their creeds until their minds and hearts are closed.

But a new abolition is under way and I am glad Tim Prowse is free.

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:41:23 UTC | #918817

Go to: Richard Dawkins: 2 live TV appearances later today

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Your background information on the 'Matthew' question is amazing. Not knowing the answer or not being able to figure it out from the given possible answers and still calling yourself a christian must take some nerve. All in all a very good survey of what is really going on. Congratulations to you, richard and RDFRS.

Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:44:25 UTC | #918029

Go to: Application for Secular Club Rejected at Notre Dame - 2 years in a row

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I studied for a year at Indiana University, Bloomington, an other Hoosier University. We never discussed religion then. Well OK, it was in the sixties and we discussed Vietnam a lot.

Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:50:23 UTC | #916602

Go to: A Proclamation - Darwin Week

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I will be in Kamloops to attend the 'Atheist Alliance International 2012 Convention' in may during a visit to Canada. A little late for Darwin week though, but maybe the proclamation will be for sale as a souvenir. I wil buy one !

Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:35:23 UTC | #915599

Go to: Indiana Senate passes bill putting religion in science class

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Indianians are called Hoosiers. I know, because I spent a year as an exchange student at Indiana University. It was in the mid-sixties and although we were in the middle of the Vietnam war, religion was never discussed. Not by the staff, not by the other students. I thought then that the Bible-belt was much farther to the south. Apparently the belt buckled northwards and Indiana is getting its share of religious insanity.

Senator Dennis Kruse, you are abusing your fellow hoosiers by corrupting their education ! Stop it !

Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:27:22 UTC | #913840

Go to: Dawkins’s Theory of God

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From the article:

Dawkins is known for his strong views on evolution and the origin of the universe.

Huh ... ?

Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:58:32 UTC | #911373

Go to: Worrying developments for freedom of expression in the UK

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Grimmie, WCapehart responded to your 'parable', I have a similar one:

The Parable: Yo'mama's so fat. There were two little boys, Billy and Gomez. Gomez loves his mother very deeply. Billy grew up without knowing his mother and has no sentimental feelings toward her. One day, Billy says: "Gomez, your mother is as fat as a cow!" Upset, Gomez demands that Billy take back what he said. Billy refuses.
He says, 'I shock you so that you will realize that it is very unhealthy to be as big as your mother is, she should see a doctor because otherwise she might die too soon'. Gomez goes home and talks with his mother. The next morning she goes to a doctor and starts with a diet. She and Gomes invite Billy for dinner. Billy and Gomez remain buddies for a long time.

Now it is your turn.

Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:03:47 UTC | #909609

Go to: Worrying developments for freedom of expression in the UK

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Berzerker, in comment # 10, advocates 'organizing a epically scaled draw mo day'. Others have reservations in this respect, as do I. I think that organizing things in that way is unnecessary. It is too restricted and draws attention to 'organisers'. I think that when a large group of people, who all want to defend 'free speech', use satirical cartoons as much as possible, attend discussions as often as possible, react to incidents adequately, etc. then the massive scale will make them prevail.

Calmly, rationally and fairly, of course.

Having said this, I left 'the quiet presence of the question mark', and changed my avatar to the less quiet presence of jesus and mo.

Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:14:45 UTC | #909576

Go to: [Updated 15th Jan]- Atheists have no right... - Atheists face Muslim-led censorship from UCL Union

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This story is about how someone views a picture as satire, and someone else views it as an offence. Difference of opinion is unavoidable. The emotions we have with certain events will vary from person to person. Take the following example from what you said in a previous comment:

Is that before or after the 'first-world' nations stop invading 'third-world' nations, bombing their populations and infrastructure to hell and pissing on their corpses?

Invading, bombing and pissing ? I would never put these 3 behaviors in one sentence because I find them in different categories.
'Pissing on their corpses' is more on the level of 'dragging marine corpses through the streets' (Mogadishu) or 'hanging charred remains of contractors on bridgeposts' (Fallujah).

'Bombing their populations' is about killing people like it is in this snippet from today's news:

Two explosions killed 12 people in Iraq on Monday, authorities said. The first blast, a car bomb, exploded in eastern Mosul killing at least nine people and wounding 13, police said.Officers discovered another parked car rigged with explosives in the same area, said Mosul police Lt. Col. Hilal al-Ahmedi. No group immediately claimed responsibility. Democracy waning in Iraq? In the second incident, a parked car bomb exploded in a busy outdoor market in central Hilla, roughly 60 miles (100 km) south of Baghdad, killing three civilians and wounding 15 others, police said. Hilla is predominantly Shiite city located in Babil province.

This is the level where people get hurt. Really hurt. Not 'offended'.

Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:32:34 UTC | #908959

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The frantic way the hole, as mentioned by Steve, is dug is the more amazing because it is done by Ahmadi muslims. Although muslims pretend that they are all sisters and brothers and theirs is 'a religion of peace', news like this suggests otherwise:

A suicide bomber disguised as a policeman targeted Shiite pilgrims Saturday outside the southern Iraqi city of Basra, killing at least 53 people and wounding 137, the Interior Ministry said. Saturday's bomber struck a police checkpoint near a Shiite mosque where many of the pilgrims were headed to mark a revered holy day, the end of a 40-day mourning period known as Arbaeen, Interior Ministry officials said.

The Ahmadi-strain of Islam has been initiated in 1889 by mr. Ahmad of Quadian, the 'messiah' (this sort of makes the Ahmadis the mormons of Islam (satire)). The sunnis and shiites soon afterwards started 'picking' on the Ahmadis (picking stands for murder and mayhem (no satire)), which continues until today. Ahmadis are, by law, considered to be non-muslims in Pakistan.

Of course this is terrible and should be stopped. I am glad that Ahmadis have found refuge in Great Britain where they are apparently far safer than in their Islamic homelands and can practise their religion as they please.

But since they started digging holes to bury cartoons in, I am confused.
I that their priority ?

Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:45:16 UTC | #908938

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Thanks for the clarification. I disagree (slightly) with matt50's comment, much in the same way you wrote in your comment 245.

Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:24:32 UTC | #908197

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As one of the commenters, whom you call chooks, I was tempted to look up the meaning of your qualification. I found:

chook can be a general word for food and also a mildly insulting term for an old woman.

I am not offended by this because I am not 'food' nor an 'old woman'. But I am curious: Was you giving us this qualification an example of what you call 'common courtesy' ?

Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:19:58 UTC | #908186

Go to: UCL Union censorship: Jesus & Mo respond

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afterwards a gentleman seemed to taunt me by saying meh - 'people from ur sect get killed bombed tortured all the time - go and sort that out - ' and i explained actually were not able to - and asked him does this mean that if he saw someone get mugged ect ect would he say it just be there problem

Because english is not my native language I had to look up the meaning of 'taunt' and I found:

To anger and encourage reactionary behaviors without thinking

The last thing I would like is 'behaviors without thinking' or 'anger' !! Anyhow, it should not anger you that I said there is persecution of Ahmadis, but you should be angry about the persecution itself, the same way I am angry about it. I certainly think that 'Amhadis killed by Sunni or Shia muslims', 'Sunnis killed by Shiites', 'Shiites killed by Sunnis', is a problem for all of humanity. But when outside critique on this mayhem is met by 'don't offend us', or worse, I think most of the effort to solve the problem has to come from muslims themselves. The 'mugger' has too much bloodthirst, knives, guns and bombs, so to speak.
So, if your priorities lie in the eradication of muhammed cartoons, I think that you make a strange choice.

Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:07:12 UTC | #907691

Go to: UCL Union censorship: Jesus & Mo respond

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Your fellow Ahmadis are offended on a daily basis. They are blown up, stabbed, shot, burned, maimed and killed by the scores. And this is all done by other muslims in Pakistan, Indonesia, and many other places. Maybe you should turn your attention there and try to stop that madness.

Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:24:56 UTC | #907519

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Mr. Takistan,

The following excerpt from your comment indicates that you apparently do not understand what the basis of the controversy is. The basis is:

Nobody has the right NOT TO BE OFFENDED

Sorry for the capitals, hopefully they emphasize what is said. Now you say, speaking of 'prof Pseudoscience, aka Richard Dawkins':

I wonder how he would feel if I turned around and told him that he had no right to feel offended over something that had upset him?

That is something different. Anybody can 'feel' himself 'offended' about anything, anytime. You can deny nobody this right. But that is not what is basically said. What is said is that you cannot tell anybody that he is forbidden to say anything, or to do anything that you or anybody else could develop a feeling of 'being offended' about.
I hope you understand this and that you will reformulate your comments accordingly.

Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:35:57 UTC | #907012

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Mr. Takistan,

Welcome to If I were a Ahmadi muslim, I would not be bothered by one or more cartoons about Muhammed (SBUH), but I would spend as much time as I have available to defend other Ahmadis who are persecuted around the world, especially in 'Islamic' countries. That is a tragedy that should be prevented.
But I also think that a 'movement' about whos founder it is said:

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the Ahmadiyya movement, declared that he was the “Promised One” of all religions, fulfilling the eschatological prophecies found in world religions.

is founded on quicksand. There is no objection to state "Love for all, hatred for none" , but there is no religious nonsense required for this statement.

Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:42:28 UTC | #906938

Go to: Man made god - with Andy Thomson - Parts1-5

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My twist on the trolley-problem would be to ask a theist, no make that Mitt Romney, the question: "Suppose on the first track were the 5 children of the reverend of the local church, while on the other track walked a wellknown (and, unavoidably, strident) atheist. What would jezus, sorry, what would you do?"
I wonder whether he would deny the children an immediate opportunity to spend their 'eternity in the presence of the lord' and deny the atheist more time to possibly convert to the lords side?
Well, maybe Isaiah118a can aswer.

Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:29:32 UTC | #904623

Go to: The Archbishop of Canterbury is a Welsh bard

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I recently changed my gravatar to reflect mr Williams' fondness of the question mark (on a suggestion by susanlatimer). It might have been a poetic uttering of him, but he has responsibilities. One way of acting on those responsibilities would be to follow my gravatar. Let every churchgoer sit quietly in the presence of the 'question mark', mr Williams. Don't be elitist by reserving the question mark for yourself.

Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:30:35 UTC | #904254

Go to: Two new features on the website

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Moderator, I had no intention to belittle your efforts to make site even greater than it was. I am just not the 'following' kind.

But now it seems 'they' are following me ...

Fish, let me say that my name is not a coincidence, but it might reflect my limited knowledge of the english language.

Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:28:39 UTC | #903560

Go to: Two new features on the website

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I will not follow you on Twitter. Just want you to know.

Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:56:54 UTC | #903537

Go to: Important Research into Sophisticated Theology

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A bright new future for the Church of England.

And a new Gravatar for me ...

Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:53:28 UTC | #903536

Go to: Why We Lie

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The problem I have with telling lies and deceiving is that there is always ONE who KNOWS that I lied or deceived.

That one is, if course, myself. And because I don't like to be in the company of liers/deceivers I refrain of that behavior as much as possible. Now I have to tell my genes ...

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:08:23 UTC | #902997

Go to: Can theists be convinced by reason?

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Cogito, first you say this:

This phenomenon constitutes evidence that human consciousness is not just a material phenomenon, but is part of an objective reality of "mind" that exists above the vagaries of the material world.

Then you state this:

Christians, of course, identify this as the mind of God.

I don't understand the 'of course'. Could it not be:

Muslims, of course, identify this as the mind of Allah.

Or even: Hindus, of course, identify this as the minds of Brahma, Vishnu, Ganeesh ...

It seems to me that, at best, you argue that we cannot exclude something that is very vague. But I don't see any link to Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt. Do you?

Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:03:11 UTC | #901457

Go to: Defying Our Maker: What the New Atheists Miss

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I don't like being in an in-group. So I am in the out-group. But then I am in in the out-group so that is my in-group. And therefor I am ... La la lalalalalalalala La LA

And I am sad that Christopher died.

Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:28:03 UTC | #900011