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Go to: Manila floods an expression of God's wrath?

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Not just in Manila - when Carlisle in the north of England got flooded a few years ago, Graham Dow (a total whackjob preacher) reckoned it was divine judgment becaese the Government was getting all liberal regarding gays

Heres the whole hideous story, shamelessly cut and pasted from Wikipedia:

"In July 2007, following widespread storms over parts of the United Kingdom, Dow stated that he believed the resulting flooding (in which several people were killed) was an act of divine retribution, the result of God's "strong and definite judgement" on the "moral degradation" of British society. In particular, he blamed the economic exploitation of poorer nations and the United Kingdom's introduction of laws aimed at reducing discrimination against gay people, notably the proposals to introduce same-sex marriage.[9] He stated that “the Sexual Orientation Regulations are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God’s judgement.” [10]

According to an article in The Times, Dow is a specialist in exorcism, explaining in a leaflet entitled Explaining Deliverance that “There is a view that both oral and anal sexual practice is liable to allow entry to spirits

FFS, you couldnt make this up. Its incredible.

Incidentally, Graham Dow was one of the speakers at the charismaniac "New Wine" conference in the north of England a few weeks ago. These conferences are very popular among the evangies, so people like this get plenty of opportunities to spout their nonsense

:-) SG

Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:18:35 UTC | #950780

Go to: Belief In God Plummets Among Youth (CHART)

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strong textInteresting to see the net downward trend, even if it is painfully slow.

However, nearer to home, I came across this interesting staement:

"Scotland has secularized faster than any nation in history". At one time Scotland was known as the "land of the book" because religion was so entrenched. So it can be done.

That statement, BTW, is from an article by David Robertson, reflecting on the fact that possibly the biggest evangelical Church Of Scotland congregation has seceded from the national church over the issue of gay clergy:

Church secedes

Interesting times here. The article is worth reading ro get a feel for what evangies are up to.

:-)) SG

Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:58:47 UTC | #947439

Go to: Major Threat to Religion? Clergy People Coming Out as Atheists

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It's an interesting idea, but I suspect that a lot of fundies will come out with stuff like "Couldnt have been a True Christian (TM) in the first place, invoking the 5th point of Calvinism, "once saved always saved" or "perseverence of the saints"

Other fundies will see it as "an attack of the Evil One (TM)" Like some sort of Satanic onslaught. "Spiritual Warfare" is a big thing amongst the charismaniacs and fundagelicals

Of course, such an "assault" on the pastor will mean that "much fervent prayer" will be needed and possibly fasting as well. Like Ted Haggard, they may well reckon that the fallen pastor needs "a restoration team" of overseers to straighten him out

I doubt if it will have a huge effect on the real fundies.

What would be interestin gto know however, is the theological type of these atheist pastors.I suspect that most a re quite liberal anyway and just taking the final leap. Richard Holloway always strikes me as this sort of person

What would be really fascinating though, would be if a real fire breathing, chandelier swinging tongu-speaking YEC fundy was to do this! The effect on his sheep would be amusing to watch IMO

:-) SG

Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:14:23 UTC | #946928

Go to: In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

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Expositrix

Just to clarify, the "same thing" I was talking about is the way that the churches are going, rather than the stats for creationism / evolution etc. Sorry if I didnt make that clear.

But, it would be interesting to see a similar type of poll done for the UK, broken down by country / region /city as well

Apparently, there is church growth is a few places casued by immigration, London for example.

And most of the growth is in the fundy, pentecostal, evangelical churches, not the traditional ones

So ther may well be some depressing figures from the UK as well!

But have a look at this site:

http://www.whychurch.org.uk/trends.php

Church trends

:-) SG

Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:56:40 UTC | #945699

Go to: In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

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There is an intersting small but sharp divergence at the RHS of that chart. Creationism gaining at the expense of theistic evolution.

This is exactly what is happening regarding liberal/ traditional and evangelical churches. The tradtional ones, who are most likelty to support theistic evolution are shrinking. The evangies are coallescing round a hard core, which is more likely to be YEC. (and also homophoubic and mysoginist)

The same thing is happening here in the UK

A situation will eventually develop where the only Christian churches will be charismatic, evangelical lunatic asylums with a cross on the roof.

:-) SG

Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:59:39 UTC | #945418

Go to: Evolution skeptics will soon be silenced by science: Richard Leakey

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Re Tyler's 2nd point (Comment 55) about the moon being a reflector. Was there not a big fuss about this recently - faith heads objecting to it being called a reflector.

Anyway, its actually worse than that for the faith heads. During a New Moon, its not giving any light at all. And during a total eclipse, it actually attenuates the light from the Sun. Quite a lot.

I love the way this is actually written:

" 14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars"

"He also made the stars" No shit, eh? Like making some extra cookies with some leftover dough. I love the way it is like some throw away comment, a mere bagatelle in the great scheme of things.

God "Ah, fuck it, I'll make a few stars as well.... save wasting this stuff"

And they expect people to take this seriously.

shakes head

SG

Wed, 30 May 2012 18:33:12 UTC | #944574

Go to: Jury gives "faith healing" mother prison time in son's death

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These people are nuts. Unfortunately, one of the things that seems to be happening (in my part of the world anyway) is that. as the traditional church shrinks into further irrelevance, the evangie, fundy, charismaniac brigade are what is left, and they are seriously into this faith healing BS. Big time.

Check out "Healing Herald" if you want ot see some real numbnuttery

www.healingherald.org

For a taster , try this, its unreal.....

Missing leg starts to grow

SG

Wed, 30 May 2012 07:53:10 UTC | #944407

Go to: Look Now for Venus to Cross the Sun, or Wait Another Century

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I managed to see the 2004 transit - just. The weather was coludy, but the clouds parted right at the end so I saw the "egress" phase of the transit. Using a telescope fitted with a solar filter is a great way to see it - I would recommend checking out local astronomical societies to see if they are having a "transit day" event

The trouble with this one (for UK based observers) is that the sun will be rising with the transit in progress. Really early in the morning!

Still worth the effort though. I wont see another. My children probably wont either. Its quite a thought.

Wonder what the god botherers will make of it.....

:-)) SG

Tue, 29 May 2012 10:13:21 UTC | #944195

Go to: Evolution skeptics will soon be silenced by science: Richard Leakey

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I've mentioned this before but I'll ask again,.

Are the only opponents of evolution the faith heads?

Or are there any other people out there who oppose it but not on religious grounds? I could imagine some "Erich von Danekin" type supporters might claim that the diversity of life is due to a massive alien experiment

But seriously, is it just the faith heads? Are their any atheist sceintists who oppose it?

:-) SG

Tue, 29 May 2012 08:17:40 UTC | #944173

Go to: Evolution skeptics will soon be silenced by science: Richard Leakey

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I think he is being over-optimistic. When you get people like Kurt Wise:

"Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate"

Remember, this is someone with a geology PhD from Harvard!

As Richard Dawkins himself said (of Wise)

"Kurt Wise doesn’t need the challenge; he volunteers that, even if all the evidence in the universe flatly contradicted Scripture, and even if he had reached the point of admitting this to himself, he would still take his stand on Scripture and deny the evidence. This leaves me, as a scientist, speechless... We have it on the authority of a man who may well be creationism’s most highly qualified and most intelligent scientist that no evidence, no matter how overwhelming, no matter how all-embracing, no matter how devastatingly convincing, can ever make any difference"

Their minds are made up and thats all there is to it....

:-) SG

Tue, 29 May 2012 08:13:19 UTC | #944172

Go to: How the Web is killing faith

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One of the really interesting things about the whole science/faith debate is how churches , and I am talking about evangelical ones, are being affected by it all. Take Al Mohler for instamce , one of Americas leading baptists. His website is full of articles that are little more than fire-fighting,

Basically, science, reason and atheism are having such an effect on churches, that they are having to re-evaluate a lot of what they believe. And Mohler doesnt like it. I woudl argue that as lot of the eating away at religious certainties is coming from cyber-space.

And in cyber space, the fundies are trying to hit back. Canute fashion, I would say.

Check this page out. Note the title "Evolutionism" (not "Evolution" !!)

evolutionism

Especially the Adam and Eve articles if you really want to see how these guys are in a tail spin. Fascinating reading.

:-)) SG

Fri, 25 May 2012 18:55:06 UTC | #943543

Go to: 'Ring of fire' eclipse to begin

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Never seen an annular eclipse, but worth pointing out that there is another event, and extremely rare one coming up soon - the Transit of Venus.

Unless people start living to much much longer, no one alive today will ever see another transit. Miss this one, and thats it. The next will be in 2117.....

Details here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Venus

Mon, 21 May 2012 11:18:52 UTC | #942598

Go to: How much water is there on, in, and above the Earth?

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This is another example of this sort of thing that is mind boggling. I know it is an old one, but worth repeating:

http://www.kiroastro.com/writings/perspective

Comaprison of Sun, Planets, Stars

:-))SG

Tue, 15 May 2012 14:52:25 UTC | #941609

Go to: How much water is there on, in, and above the Earth?

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Ha ha, I like this bit:

"Diameter would be about the distance from Salt Lake City, Utah to Topeka, Kansas, USA"

From Mormon HQ to Fred Phelps HQ!!!

:-))) SG

Tue, 15 May 2012 13:40:48 UTC | #941591

Go to: Queen 'should remain Defender of the Faith' - BBC poll

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The "faith" of course is the Protestant one. Here is a link to an article on a very fuindy website, but AFAICS, the details that they have are accurate, and what is in the article is indeed the case.

The Protestant Succession to the Throne ACCORDING to the widely-publicised remarks of composer James MacMillan, and an essay by emeritus professor Patrick Reilly, prejudice against Roman Catholics pervades Scotland. But never has Roman Catholicism in Scotland or England had a higher profile or a better press than today. This is seen, for example, in the way that some newspapers support Rome in its desire to abolish the Protestant nature of the British Throne. The Coronation Oath makes clear that the Throne is Protestant: "I do solemnly, and in the presence of God profess, testify, and declare, that I am a faithful Protestant, and that I will, according to the true intent of the enactments which secure the Protestant succession to the Throne of my Realm, uphold and maintain the said enactments to the best of my power according to law." The enactments referred to are, of course, the Bill of Rights of 1689 and the Act of Settlement of 1701. The British Monarchy official website states, "The succession to the throne is regulated not only through descent, but also by statute; the Act of Settlement confirmed that it was for Parliament to determine the title to the throne. The Act laid down that only Protestant descendants of Princess Sophia . . . are eligible to succeed. Subsequent Acts have confirmed this. Parliament, under the Bill of Rights and the Act of Settlement, also laid down various conditions which the Sovereign must meet. A Roman Catholic is specifically excluded from succession to the throne; nor may the Sovereign marry a Roman Catholic. The Sovereign must, in addition, be in communion with the Church of England and must swear to preserve the established Church of England and the established Church of Scotland. The Sovereign must also promise to uphold the Protestant succession." Solemn and dignified as these statutes are, The Daily Mail of 10th August had the temerity to state that "there is a blot in the statute book which it is surprising to see tolerated in Tony Blair’s ‘inclusive’ Britain: the crudely anti-Catholic wording and provisions of the Act of Settlement. It discriminates purely against Roman Catholics; it is, literally, institutionalised sectarianism. The Act is long overdue for amendment". Such comments echo William Hague’s description of the Act of Settlement as "offensive", and Sir Michael Forsyth’s despicable comment in January, that the Act is the British constitution’s "grubby little secret". These calls for abolishing the Act are a call to all true Protestants to be prayerfully vigilant. Rome has at least indirect but significant influence in the political life of our nation. Not only would that influence increase if our constitution ceased to be Protestant, but also our dearly-bought Reformed, Protestant faith would be subverted. Three years ago The Times said that any attempt to repeal the Act of Settlement "would engender howls of protest from the deeply Protestant corners of the United Kingdom". May it be so! But especially may Almighty God mercifully preserve the Protestant nature of the British Throne.

from http://www.fpchurch.org.uk/magazines/fpm/1999/september/article8.php

Note the FP church is seriously fundy, but they have a fascinating amount of info on their website about stuff like this.the Coronation Oath, the Act of Settlement, and other historical things.

:-) SG

Tue, 15 May 2012 12:23:50 UTC | #941576

Go to: Am I over-reacting?

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mmurray is right - the school should have made it quite clear what the content of the course was - the parents shouldnt need to ask for this, it should simply be given. Not too hard to tell people what a "typical day" would consist of. Shouldnt need to use a tin opener to get this sort of info.

Michael also mentioned "I never thought they would be speaking in tongues" Maybe not at the camp, but the Abernethy Trust is clearly a fan of Alpha - and there are plenty of Alpha enthusiasts who are very much into tongue speaking. Many evangelicals are quite happy with it. And I wonder how many Abernethy staff are into "tongues" and other charismatic pish although they dont teach this to kids?

In fact, stepping back a bit,. I mentioned our old chum David Robertson earlier -he has clearly stated (and I have the video link for proof) that he doesnt have a problem with "tongues" and he doesnt consider it "unbiblical" So even the mainstream evangies, and not just the chandelier-swingers are into this nonsense.

:-) SG

Mon, 14 May 2012 11:47:51 UTC | #941376

Go to: Am I over-reacting?

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Regarding what actually happens at Abernethy's "Time Out " session, this may be of interest:

http://www.abernethy.org.uk/uploads/Timeout.pdf

Time Out

Note carefully: "It is definitely not our attempt to brain-wash people. We are very aware that the young people who come to our Centres are from a wide variety of backgrounds and faiths. There is no “hard sell”, just a genuine desire to tell people a little more about who we are and why we work for Abernethy"

Which doesnt sound TOO bad, but I wonder.....

Mon, 14 May 2012 09:54:56 UTC | #941369

Go to: Am I over-reacting?

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mmurray pointed out:

Remember even religious parents might have concerns about sending children off to something run by the wrong kind of religion for them.

I mentioned the Free Church camps earlier. Amazingly, these were actually attacked by the unbelievably fundy Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland as being, "hotbeds of spurious conversion" (I dont have the exact quote but it was from their church magazine) You couldnt make this up

The FPCofS of course is most famous for "disciplining" Lord MacKay, Margaret Thatchers Lord Chancellor for "countenancing a blasphemous popish mass" when he attended a requiem service for a RC friend who had died

Thank the FSM that this sort of stuff is in decline and increasingly marginalised......

:-))) SG

Sat, 12 May 2012 17:54:43 UTC | #941210

Go to: Am I over-reacting?

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PDW709

It sounds like the school were definitely not being as open and communicative as they should have. At the open evening lecture that you refer to , if you had asked "what does a typical days activities consist of?" would they have mentioned the religious bit? If they didnt, then that was definitely bad. It could of course be, that the school werent totally sure of this themselves - they may have just dismissed it as the usual "school assembly" hymn singing stuff

Could be worse mind you - just think of that awful "Jesus Camp" stuff that was indoctrination on an epic scale

And incidentally, our old chum Rev David Robertson intended to run a "Discipleship Camp" to Bulgaria a few years ago aimed at 18 -30 year olds (indoctrination without the sports...) - it ended up being cancelled, (prob cost too much) so even within the faith head community, this sort of thing doesnt always work out.

From what I gather, and I know several people who have sent their kids to camps like these, as well as some who have worked as volunteer leaders at them, the "fun" element is the biggest thing. I think kids are actually quite good at spotting BS!

:-)) SG

Sat, 12 May 2012 12:58:10 UTC | #941176

Go to: Am I over-reacting?

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Just a couple of points:

1) You can tell a lot about an organisation from its web site links. The first section of links on Abernethy's site is "Christian" not "Outdoor"

2) The first link in that section is Alpha. Nothing more needs to be said. The original poster was most definietly NOT over reacting if they endorse this mind-controlling charismaniac bullshit.

3) It looks like the "christian ethos" bit takes precedence over the outdoor activity stuff. That would trouble me. NOT over-reacting

The worst thing about this is that the Abernethy centres are in some of the best places in Scotland for outdoor education. What a waste.

Just one final point aimed at the original poster. (and I am not criticising here) Did you not check who was running the centre when your child was booked on the trip? Did the school not say what organisation was behind it? Or did the school deliberately try to conceal info?

Maybe its just me, but if my kids were going on a school camp trip for a week I would want to know exactly who is going to be running it. And then check them out.

On the plus side, I suspect that little damage has been done. Check this out. It makes good reading!

http://www.whychurch.org.uk/age.php

The whole whychurch.org site paints a statistical picture of religion in free-fall in the UK

:-))

SG

Fri, 11 May 2012 18:11:44 UTC | #941056

Go to: Should Churches Get Tax Breaks?

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Comment 5 by Vorlund - Brilliant! Wonderful idea!

:-) SG

Thu, 10 May 2012 17:03:32 UTC | #940893

Go to: Teresa MacBain on CNN - Faces of Faith

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Sara pointed out:

Please note that Teresa's father was a minister.

A very good point. In my own experience, here in Scotland, there seems to be a very large number of ministers, whose fathers were ministers before them. I know of several. You even get dynasties of these people.

For instance, and this is a big one. the current minister of the Tron church in Glasgow (one of the biggest evangelical churches in Scotland) is William Philip. His father was a minister , again at a big famous evangie church. Not only that, but his uncle was also an evangie minister at a major Glasgow church.

There are many other examples as well. - the more conservative and fundie the denomination (or caucus within a denomination) the more likely you are to find these dynasties

SG

Tue, 08 May 2012 12:57:24 UTC | #940528

Go to: Why Richard Dawkins is still an atheist

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Richard Dawkins said:

To give the fleas their due, I don't think money is their motive. I think they really care about Jesus. They are desperately seeking reassurance – and taking it from wherever they can – that that their pathetic delusions can remain intact.

You have debated these guys often enough now - How "sure in the faith" do you actually think they are? Have you ever experienced THEM expressing any form of "doubt"? Or are they all absolutely rock-solid?

I sometimes wonder if the book-writing business by the Fleas is just to try to win converts, to bring them over. But I also wonder how many people who buy the Flea books are actually believers anyway, looking for that same reassurance that you mention!

SG

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 09:12:12 UTC | #923382

Go to: RDFRS UK/Ipsos MORI Poll #2: UK Christians oppose special influence for religion in public policy

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Andrea

The question about the first book of the NT is, IMO, an important one. Evangelicals in particular set a lot of store by the bible. Not knowing the answer to this question would be almost unheard of among the larger evangelical churches, esp the ones that practice systematic bible reading and expository sermons.

It could even be considered a touchstone question. If someone calls themselves "Christian" in the "born again, washed in the blood, "new creation" sense of the word "christian" then they will have no trouble whatsoever in answering this question.

If they cant answer it correctly, then they are either a "cultural" Christian or else the sort of chuirch-goer who goes along once or twice a year because their parents did.

Heres a quote from a very conservative church web site - I first came across this years ago. I suspect the figures are more in line with the poll above nowadays:

"If people are to attain to a saving knowledge of Christ they must find this knowledge in the Bible. Yet a Lifestyle Survey conducted in 1985-1986 showed that 69% of members in the Church of Scotland seldom or never read their Bibles. This has resulted in widespread biblical illiteracy and it is truly astonishing for a professing Christian Church"

.from http://www.fpchurch.org.uk/Beliefs/faq.php

SG

Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:03:44 UTC | #917714

Go to: RDFRS UK/Ipsos MORI Poll #2: UK Christians oppose special influence for religion in public policy

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Alan4discussion

I mentioned it (no true scotsman!) just a short while ago in comment 39! Was wondering when someone would use that logical fallacy. Nikonicus has just done that....took just 28 minutes! LOL!

SG

Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:13:35 UTC | #917595

Go to: RDFRS UK/Ipsos MORI Poll #2: UK Christians oppose special influence for religion in public policy

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Irate

You could also add Eric Pickles to that list. Seems to be sounding off a lot recently about prayers in council meetings and pish like that

SG

Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:56:54 UTC | #917584

Go to: RDFRS UK/Ipsos MORI Poll #2: UK Christians oppose special influence for religion in public policy

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This is very interesting stuff, but I can see a "no true scotsman" type reaction to it.

This will get jumped on by the evangelicals ("the True Christians" TM) and turned around. They'll use this as proof of "apostasy" and backsliding in the church. They'll make out that this is what happens when the church starts to accept "liberal" theology. You know, having their thoughts framed by evil scientists rather than the "word of god".

The fundies will use this to bolster their own position as the true remnant, the "two or three gathered together" that Jesus spoke of.

I have said it before, but fundagelicals in this country (UK) seem to be coalescing round a hard core of YEC, homophobia, misogyny, anti-intellectual obscurantism and charismatic lunacy. It is not pretty to behold.

SG

Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:24:41 UTC | #917565

Go to: Alaska Airlines removing prayer cards from meal trays after 30 years as complaints increase

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Is it just the Psalms that they used? If so I wonder if they had :

O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

from Psalm 137.

Cracker of a picture that would go with that wouldnt it? Make for a comfortable flight I am sure.

And why as the article says "a beautiful photograph" A proper picture of Gods awesome power would be a parasite devouring its still-living host. A sort of "Joe Pesci" sort of God.... Except Joe Pesci was George Carlin's god, wasnt he?

I love the way these people take all the nice cute cuddly attractive stuff and attribute it to God. The disasters and diseases are sort of forgotten about....

SG

Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:56:08 UTC | #912542

Go to: Israelis Facing a Seismic Rift Over Role of Women

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Its not just the ultra-orthodox Jews either.

A lot of "evangelicals" have gender specific worship services. I know of many "ladies bible study nights" and "mens prayer breakfasts" . You also get men only conferences, like Angus Buchans shindig in S Africa. Or Mark Driscolls men focussed meetigns. Or events like "Women walking with God" and stuff like that.

The evangies like to use the expression "complemetarian" (as opposed to egalitarian) for the Men >> Women thing. And they have a whole raft of "scripture quotes" to back it up. Basically Eve screwed up big time........

OK, it is not as bad as the ultra fundie Jews, but it is all part of the same gender segregation continuum, just not so far along it.

A wee story for you. Years ago, during my faith head days, after an evening service, the tea and coffee were served (by the women of course) I decided to lend a hand in the kitchen with a tea towel. I tell, you I could FEEL the dirty looks aimed my way. And the saddest thing was, it was the women who were doing the most of it. Indoctrination at its very self-despising worst.I think that moment was possibly the first twinge of reason on my march back to sense....

:-) SG

Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:41:55 UTC | #908937

Go to: Bible rewritten to make it ‘easier to follow’

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Brilliant. Reminds me of Pastor Deacon Fred and landover Baptist.

What needs to happen is for this to get posted on a few high profile Christian forums and blogs and see what the reaction is....

Heres Pastor Fred, just for a laugh:

Pastor Deacon Fred

Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:03:22 UTC | #902601