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Do I smell Pascal in the room...?

Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:04:00 UTC | #298680

Go to: Atheists launch bus ad campaign

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Ref Steve's comment - made me think of:

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one" - George Bernard Shaw


Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:48:00 UTC | #298669

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Dear Caroline Lucas, Sharon Bowles, Ashley Mote, Peter Skinner, Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, Daniel Hannan and Nigel Farage,

I write to express my deep concern regarding the recent decision by an Istanbul court to ban access to the Richard Dawkins website, from anywhere in Turkey by ordering Turk Telecom to disallow browsing to the domain. You may read the original story at the Guardian website here:

This latest assault on freedom of expression by the Turkish judiciary came after the Islamic creationist Adnan Oktar (who writes under the pseudonym Harun Yahya), author of "Atlas of Creation" complained to the court that he had been defamed by Professor Dawkins.

As the Charles Symonyi Chair for the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, Professor Dawkins is uniquely qualified to speak publicly on matters scientific. The comment that Oktar has apparently taken offence to was within Prof. Dawkins' review of "The Atlas of Creation" - Prof. Dawkins said 'I am at a loss to reconcile the expensive and glossy production values of this book with the breathtaking inanity of the content'. You may view a video of Prof. Dawkins discussing this situation here:

The fact that the book attempts, dishonestly, to discredit the theory of evolution in favour of a creationist worldview on virtually every page, contrary to all demonstrable evidence, is immaterial. The fact that the author has no training whatsoever in biology or palaeontology, is immaterial. His recent conviction and sentencing for creating an illegal organisation for personal gain, although telling of character, is also immaterial - Oktar should have the right to write and publish whatever he likes. However, neither he nor anyone else should be able to leverage the power of the Turkish judiciary to prevent an entire country from reading an opposing viewpoint, however much he feels his feelings have been hurt.

As you know, Turkey has applied to join the EU. I believe the above example may be indicative of the Turkish establishments' continuing deference to religious sensibilities over individual rights of expression. A brief web search yields many more examples of state censorship of websites (as The Guardian notes, including two other bans prompted by Oktar) that criticise Islam. This from a country that is constitutionally secular.

I believe this is a subject worth serious investigation, in relation to Turkeys' application to join the EU. I would like to know:

If this example does indeed appear indicative of a wider culture of censorship for religious reasons in Turkey;
If this is being discussed with the Turkish authorities and what their response is, if so;
What action you intend to take, especially how this is being expressed in your reports on the progress of candidate states.

My thanks in advance for your comprehensive reply.

Yours sincerely,

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:55:00 UTC | #279923

Go to: 'Imagine No Religon' Billboard Only Lasts a Few Days in Rancho Cucamonga

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Followed the link by eepist to the BBC article. This made me chuckle - under the third image:

Malaysia is a secular democracy where Islam is the official religion

Um... FAIL.

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:32:00 UTC | #274937

Go to: We need to stop being such cowards about Islam

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Bloody well said.

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:32:00 UTC | #217410

Go to: McDonald's Makes Jesus Cry

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"I have stopped at my last McDonald. If you support homos, that is fine with me. I do not have to eat your burgers. Maybe there are enough homos around to keep your arches open."


*falls off chair with tears streaming down face*

Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:26:00 UTC | #196417

Go to: Evangelical Christians sign up to a 'Church within a Church'

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Archbishop Peter Jensen, of the Sydney Diocese in Australia, told the meeting that sex was at the heart of the debate. He said: "Sexual immorality leads you outside the kingdom of God, just as does greed..."


Go back to your palace, put on your jewel-encrusted silk robes and gold ornaments, and enjoy your banquet. Arsehole.

Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:19:00 UTC | #192851

Go to: Was the new finger a 'natural' miracle?

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I believe that this particular area is one where the Church is failing miserably, and it is a situation that must be remedied if for no other reason than to attain a respectable level of intellectual honesty.

I want to applaud your sentiment, I really do. However I must point out the oxymoronic absurdity of an institution that insists upon the existence of their particular deity understanding, never mind attaining, intellectual honesty.

Sat, 03 May 2008 06:59:00 UTC | #165765

Go to: Dumb and Dumber: Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?

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Throwing the phrase "conspiracy theory" at someone who points out something patently obvious but undesirable is exactly the reaction those in control want you to have - carefully fostered over the last few decades via very careful media manipulation.

If you are _actually_ under the impression that this is _not_ happening, and you think that the American administration has your best interests at heart, then I'm afraid that however informed you may consider yourself, you are one of the many and I'm afraid I must suggest you are quite naieve.
This situation is painfully, sadly obvious to most people living outside the US.

Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:21:00 UTC | #121134

Go to: Dumb and Dumber: Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?

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The current American "condition" is progressing exactly as intended by those at the top.

Informed, knowledgeable people are difficult to control. They are aware of their rights, able to spot abuses of it and have the annoying tendency to react unfavourably if taken advantage of.

If you want to be able to use your population for your own purposes - to have a virtually unlimited supply of cheap labour and willing army recruits to keep the wars (and hence the military-industrial complex) going, you do the following:

Keep them stuffed with cheap, addictive junk food that temporarily satiates them but has little nutritional value needed for complex thought or general fitness - this keeps them tame;

Force upon them an unrelenting, homogenous media barrage controlled by a select few individuals that tells them over and over and over that they are in imminent danger from unspecified and undefinable external agents - this keeps them scared and lets you remove their rights in the name of "security";

Keep them working their arses off 12 hours a day to keep a roof over their heads and pay for all medical assistance - this stops them having too much free time to relax and think;

Make exams easier, dumb down science or ignore it completely, and encourage anti-scientific, religious thinking. Make rationality and critical thinking seem elitist or pointless. This promotes credulity to the point that they believe without question the vast majority of what the aforementioned media channels tell them;

Encourage segregation and suspicion of all cultural groups that do not fit within one narrow set of parameters. Make vague associations between countries/colours and terrorism, etc., and reinforce them constantly - this keeps the embers hot and allows you to mobilise vast numbers of people to your cause in deeply emotionally-charged ways at the drop of a hat.

Americans - take a step back, and maybe have a look at some of Herman Goerings' writings - the methods he employed on the German people before they marched en-masse on Europe. The parallels are astonishing...

Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:44:00 UTC | #121110

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Minor BBC gripe:
"short, armoured jaws and small teeth, well designed for gobbling guts and gnawing carcasses"

Well ADAPTED, not "designed".

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:53:00 UTC | #120573

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I take it you got better? ;o)

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:50:00 UTC | #120571

Go to: Six Reasons to be an Atheist

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This thread is moot - I am atheist (note - it's not a noun - I am not "an" atheist, I'm a-theist - without theism) by default, simply because there is no evidence whatsoever to support any other worldview.


Actually, I'm rather hoping that you pop back to this thread:,2105,n,n

And respond to the comments there. You challenged people for citations and evidence, and they provided you with copious quantities of both. You seem to have gone silent there now.

Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:46:00 UTC | #103037

Go to: The OUT Campaign has its own Flea!

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@34 (Radesq):

Very droll - nice wordplay. ;)

Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:41:00 UTC | #101518

Go to: Double-checking Dawkins

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I've always found it strangely gratifying tat Prof. Dawkins is a long-time Mac user... :o)

Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:42:00 UTC | #88768

Go to: African Crucible: Cast as Witches, Then Cast Out

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People sometimes ask me why I get so incredibly heated about religion. Why it matters to me what myth, fantasy or folklore some or other idiot believes. Why it's relevant. Why I'm so fiercely and passionately of the belief that we should no longer tolerate religion of any sort. Why we should shout, slap and shake people out of their ignorant, destructive, childish stupor with vigour and commitment.

It's about education. It's about dignity. It's about our own humanity. It's about being personally accountable for our actions.

I invite those people to read the above - one of many, many examples of similar behaviour the world over. Right now. Here. Today. In the 21st century. And then never ask me those questions again.

Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:44:00 UTC | #84177

Go to: Onward Christian teachers?

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Monosilabbiq - fides_et_ratio is indeed a christian apologist forum troll. Click the link under his post to see his other postings - all the usual unsubstantiated waffle, accusations of others being illogical/unscientific, etc. - all with the usual failure to recognise the irony in what he says. I really wouldn't bother.

Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:46:00 UTC | #83770

Go to: American kids, dumber than dirt: Warning: The next generation might just be the biggest pile of idiots in U.S. history

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I'm afraid I must agree with the prognosis. I live in Brighton (on the South coast of England), and we're seeing it here too - growing numbers of estates filled with tracksuits and fake gold.

Attempting to communicate with these people on any meaningful level is futile. We are (over)breeding a generation of idiots, because our government has created a welfare society that panders to young people dropping out of school, getting a council flat, and having as many babies as they want - and handing out a subsidy for each.

There's no sense of responsibility or ownership of the facilities and services we as a nation pay for, and so things get smashed and covered with graffiti - no problem, the bottomless magic purse will appear and replace it.

I am of the opinion that our government is also actively dumbing down the populace, and I am saddened.

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:52:00 UTC | #77871

Go to: Help Counter the New Atheist Crusade to 'Evangelize' America!

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Oh, this is just too good to be true! Backed into a corner, scared, and encouraging their sheep to attempt intellectual confrontations with critical-thinking individuals?

This is a very encouraging time. :o)))

Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:04:00 UTC | #75926

Go to: Richard Dawkins receives the Deschner Prize

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Congratulations, Prof. Dawkins - well deserved.

We seem to be collecting trolls today...

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:12:00 UTC | #75123

Go to: Religion as a Force for Good

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Comment #74581 by DV82XL on September 29, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Well they say Benito Mussolini made the trains run on time

And in fact, he didn't even do that. The advancements in the rail services happened shortly before he came to power. It was later wrongly attributed to him.

Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:58:00 UTC | #71003

Go to: Religion as a Force for Good

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Recent bestsellers by Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and others suggest that religious faith is a sign of backwardness, the mark of primitives stuck in the Dark Ages who have not caught up with scientific reason. Religion, we are told, is responsible for violence, oppression, poverty and many other ills.

...if the cap fits...

Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:40:00 UTC | #71001

Go to: Scientists Feel Miscast in Film on Life's Origin

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Here's another example of the alleged atheism of Hitler for you, js5535:

"I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work". ~ Adolf Hitler

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:29:00 UTC | #70672

Go to: Keeping the faith at school

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I'm either going to cry or vomit. I feel genuinely nauseated.

Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:58:00 UTC | #69654

Go to: Why Christians should take Richard Dawkins seriously

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Oh, where shall I start with this apologetic shamble of an article? I know - I simply won't bother. We've been here before...


Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:37:00 UTC | #68612

Go to: Good News: Both our Foundations are now Officially Recognized as Charities

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Fantastic, heartwarming, inspiring news - congratulations to Richard and all involved! :o)

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:44:00 UTC | #66879

Go to: Another view

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I think he demonstrates clearly the reason for his offence:

I was in practice for 20 years

I wasn't treating idiots.

Yes you were, Stephen - you were.


Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:20:00 UTC | #62822

Go to: Anger at Malaysia 'Jesus cartoon'

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That's it - that's the limit - I've now officially had enough of this crap.

It will henceforth my sworn duty to piss off, offend , harass and harangue as many religious idiots as possible. I'm going to be as sarcastic, offensive and unforgiving as I can be, and at all opportunities explain WHY.


Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:57:00 UTC | #62684

Go to: Curriculum for Baptist School

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I want to scream.

Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:05:00 UTC | #59049

Go to: Scarlet Letter Campaign Update: A Victory

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Yes, I have. I felt like laughing and crying simultaneously...

Yes, good point. Never underestimate the insanity of those intellectually crippled by religion, I guess... :o/

Cato: I beg your pardon?

Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:01:00 UTC | #59048