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Go to: A lawsuit too far?

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Comment 1 by Tyler Durden :

The possibly-religious songs include "Thank You for the World So Sweet," which says "Thank you God for everything," "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep," which says "I pray the Lord my soul to keep," "Michael Row your Boat Ashore" and "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands."

Possibly-religious, hello?

We sang "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands" in my Catholic primary school for one reason, and one reason only.

"[the songs] were used appropriately to teach musical concepts," said Kathryn McCary, the school district's attorney.

Pull the other one, Kathryn, it plays Jingle Bells.

But even the die-hard atheists like Dan Dennett enjoy overtly religious songs. I've heard Dennett say that he continues to sing Christmas songs every year at Christmas time. Now I realize he's an adult and can separate the religious message from the music, but presumably he sang these songs as a kid and they might have had meaning for him at that time. So even if little kids are taught these religious songs now, that's no guarantee they will be immune to a rational mind-set later on.

Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:49:28 UTC | #950873

Go to: Does Religion = Superstition? G-D Forbid!

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Comment 3 by Alan4discussion :

Here's why I reject the alleged distinction between "Jewish culture" and "Jewish religion" as a false dichotomy: If you understand Jewish history (a.k.a. the history of the Jewish People / Nation of Israel, which is also part of the same big picture), you will see that we're talking not about a religion over here and a culture over there, but rather a religious culture.

Clearly you are right in regard to Orthodox Jewish groups or sects, where their religion and lifestyles are deeply intertwined, but there are atheist Jews who are simply culturally and socially Jewish. There is probably a range of positions in between. Christians also range from raving fundamentalists to token adherents.

What makes an "atheist Jew" a Jew? What element of Judaism is shared by all Jews that binds them together as Jews? Until the enlightenment, it was taken for granted that Torah and Mitzvos bound Jews together as one people. Once people start to give up the Torah way of life, what is it that keeps them within Judaism (I'm asking about definitions here)

Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:23:51 UTC | #950826

Go to: Does Religion = Superstition? G-D Forbid!

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There are people living in the religious jewish community who are what is known as "ortho-prax" meaning they outwardly keep the commandments but really don't believe in God or Torah. They usually do this because they were religious and built lives/families and THEN came to doubt. They don't want to uproot their lives, with all the turmoil that would bring, so they just keep going on with the lifestyle.

Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:57:27 UTC | #950823

Go to: Suffering

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My mother is in the end stage of AML (lukemia). We are facing this issue right now. I am grateful that she does not appear to be suffering too much. My parents are religious and an orthodox rabbi has been consulted. So far, I don't think the rabbi's influence has resulted in any different type of treatment than if he had not been consulted.

We clearly want our mother to have a good quality of life for whatever time she has left. We have been told that even under the teachings of Judaism, we don't have to take "heroic" measures. We can do whatever is necessary to make her comfortable without extending suffering.

Anyway, this is a sensitive issue, to say the least, because one is dealing with an extreme situation which puts people under great emotional strain. There are no easy answers and I hope others are spared what I and my family are going through.

Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:52:33 UTC | #950821

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Why would you expect the Mars landing to compete with the Olympics or anything else, for that matter. The Mars landing is just a machine landing on a distant planet. How could that possibly be more exciting or entertaining that seeing what Venus or Serena Williams is wearing on court?

Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:28:41 UTC | #950459

Go to: Dawkins calls for 'Catholic' honesty

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This is nothing new. Lots of people who call themselves Catholic reject teachings of the Church they find objectionable. I, as a Jew, have always wondered how a person can call himself a Catholic and, at the same time, argue against the rules of the Church.

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:23:01 UTC | #946326

Go to: Atheism and Human Rights Abuses in Africa

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Roedy:

The Nazis DID kill Jews and the world did nothing about it.

Thu, 31 May 2012 18:59:53 UTC | #944807

Go to: Atheism and Human Rights Abuses in Africa

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I am not in sympathy with any attempt to limit the rights of a nation to rule itself.

Thu, 31 May 2012 15:13:09 UTC | #944759

Go to: Atheism IS Increasing at the Expense of Theism!

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The results of this poll cannot be trusted because it was probably conducted according to godless, atheistic, so-called "scientific" methods. I, with my pure faith in the living God, which scorns mere evidence and scientific proofs, will live to see the triumph of God over all you damned atheists.

GOD BE PRAISED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 31 May 2012 12:41:49 UTC | #944741

Go to: Ultra-Orthodox Jews Rally to Discuss Risks of Internet

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At least they had a gathering of 40,000 people and not one report of any violence. I suppose that's something to be happy about.

Wed, 23 May 2012 09:50:05 UTC | #943073

Go to: Texas's war on history

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"Their two is not the real two, their four is not the real four" Ralph Waldo Emerson

Fri, 18 May 2012 13:45:16 UTC | #942180

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It's Texas, for crying out loud!!! What do you expect???????????????

Mon, 07 May 2012 19:32:10 UTC | #940375

Go to: God and logic: help with theist conversations

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Change the subject.

Why are YOU starting these conversations?

Mon, 07 May 2012 19:31:04 UTC | #940374

Go to: "It is written"

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I don't think you will find that expression in the Torah. You might find it in the prophets but when it is used, it is just giving a reference for an idea. What I mean is that a prophet might say something which is a re-phrasing of something found in the Torah. The prophet will then say, "as it is written" just as you might say "as Bertrand Russel once said", or something like that.

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:14:22 UTC | #936671

Go to: Unbelief in the pews

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"Does social convention trump dogma as a primary reason for church attendance?"

I would say yes, at least in my community (orthodox jewish). Most of the people I know were brought up to be orthodox jews and have never given much thought to questioning the basic teachings of the Torah, as explained by the Rabbis. If they DO give any thought at all, they content themselves with reading standard questions and the the cookie-cutter answers they are told to accept.

"On the other hand I still know too many people who feel like they have to keep their unbelief to themselves."

I am such a person. While I am not a full-blown atheist, I do keep most of my opinions and questions to myself for fear of what will happen if I don't.

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:26:38 UTC | #935682

Go to: Belief in God found in decline

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"The report said researchers found belief in God is higher among older people regardless of where they live."

There's a shocker. Some people start to believe in God as they get older and can see the "end".

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:49:09 UTC | #935534

Go to: Afghan schoolgirls poisoned in anti-education attack

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Comment 22 by Premiseless :

Comment 19 by Jay G :

Since when do believers respect unbelief?

Never.

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:54:29 UTC | #935345

Go to: Afghan schoolgirls poisoned in anti-education attack

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Comment 24 by The Signal :

All that is true. But it has nothing to do with the fact that the "left" is reluctant to take a stand against Islam because doing so might actually bring them into agreement with the Americans. A leftist would rather die a thousand deaths than agreement with American policy.

Wow. If you hadn't noticed, the Left IS America. Writing those you disagree with for poor reasons out of citizenship is bad enough, but failing to notice that the group you're denigrating is the one that has always been on the winning side of American policy is just sheer ignorance.

When conservatives said blacks weren't people, the Left forced you to treat them as people.

When conservatives said women shouldn't be allowed to vote, the Left gave them that voice.

When big business insisted they be allowed to make children work long hours in unsafe factory conditions, the Left put you in your place once again.

America is consistently, throughout history, more and more Left, and always the better for it. You might not have noticed, but I'm letting you in on a pretty obvious fact:

The "Right" was yesterday's America. The Left is today's America, and it will be tomorrow's America. We're the ones actually trying to help people. You can ditch your ever-obsolete ideology of hate and pitch in, or you can whine about the good old days until you become a part of them. Your choice.

That's interesting. The left I hear from (like those on WBAI Pacifica radio) seem to think that America is right wing Fascist dictatorship. Perhaps I was painting with a broad brush. I am thinking of the "left" I hear from in America (as I said above) and the left I hear from in Europe which seems to be very much anti-american. You can call them "progressives" if that makes you feel better.

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:53:27 UTC | #935344

Go to: Afghan schoolgirls poisoned in anti-education attack

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Comment 17 by CEVA34 :

Will you guys stop this drivel about it being the left that's "soft on Islam". The CIA midwifed the birth of the Taliban, and I never noticed that the CIA was left-wing. In the original Gulf War, the USA refrained from toppling Saddam because he represented "stability", which is what the Americans prize in areas they seek to control - in this case the oil producers.

All that is true. But it has nothing to do with the fact that the "left" is reluctant to take a stand against Islam because doing so might actually bring them into agreement with the Americans. A leftist would rather die a thousand deaths than agreement with American policy.

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:33:54 UTC | #935315

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Comment 16 by Premiseless :

Comment 14 by Jay G : (and don't tell me that anybody who is religious is per se unreasonable)

But am I correct in thinking that you think their belief unreasonable per se?

I think that religious belief is just that, belief. It is not a "reasoned" conclusion from observable facts.

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:31:55 UTC | #935313

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Comment 13 by JWReason :

Female education is a bad thing?

Well, that's precisely the sort of ideal which I would expect from Islam. This is another example of why we cannot, absolutely cannot, show respect to this barbaric death-cult which deserves nothing less than hatred and contempt. And anybody who defends this sickening set of beliefs (Islam) which is reserved for fools, morons, idiots and those who want to be slaves, also deserves ridicule and hatred.

I don't give a damn if it is a religious belief that females shouldn't be educated. If religion preaches that females are not to be educated (it sometimes does, as in the case of Islam), to hell with religion, then! That nauseating Islamic concept of female inferiority must be opposed, but not only that concept - all of those false concepts should be opposed.

Islam is evil. It holds back progress, denies facts, opposes science and destroys lives as well as ending them. It is a poison. It is a disease, and it causes extreme mental deficiency.

Freedom, education, equality, science, literature, art, culture - religion poisons all of this. If somebody supports the poisoning of all this for themselves (without affecting anybody else), go and do so - it is your choice. Limit your interests, don't become educated, don't become good - I don't care. But if somebody decides that they should encourage the poisoning of these wonders for others (people who actually have intelligence or morality), they deserve to be an absolute outcast from society. They deserve no friendship, no kindness and certainly no respect. Of course, they can say what they want - I wouldn't advocate legislation banning any act of speech. But once they dare to take action; once they dare to detrimentally, consciously and purposefully affect and annihilate other peoples' lives - once they decide to go and poison schoolgirls for getting an education - they should be punished severely. And the motivator for their behaviour - in this case, Islam - should have already been ousted from its position as a "religion of peace". A religion of peace? Don't give me that idiocy, you have to be a fool or at least uneducated to think that Islam is a religion of peace. It never deserved to be mentioned in the same breath as the word "peace".

I, for one, hope that religion comes to an end as soon as possible. I hope it can cease to poison the lives of our children for the years to come. I hope that anybody who decides to preach oppression of females is looked at and treated like a fool and an evil person. I hope every aspect of religious belief is socially annihilated as soon as possible.

I hope religion dies. The sooner this happens - the sooner those people who are being destroyed by theocracy and religion are liberated - the sooner they can live.

Jordan.

Religion will not come to an end in your lifetime or the lifetimes of your immediate descendants. The best we can hope for is a slow moving period of education and enlightenment. For the time being, we have to come to some sort of truce with those religious people who are reasonable (and don't tell me that anybody who is religious is per se unreasonable) and hope that together we can eliminate the lunatic fringes.

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:23:56 UTC | #935295

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Comment 4 by MilitantNonStampCollector :

Religion poisons everything.

That was in bad taste !! OOPS!

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:21:12 UTC | #935275

Go to: Afghan schoolgirls poisoned in anti-education attack

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How many times will this type of scenario have to play out before the people on the political left wake up and realize that Islam is threat to all of us?

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:01:18 UTC | #935265

Go to: Cardinal Pell-"Jews intellectually and morally inferior"

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Nietzsche was right. We killed God and Cardinal Pell put the final nail in the coffin.

Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:08:51 UTC | #935092

Go to: Mount Etna eruption expected any time now - webcam

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my apologies to the moderator. I just got a little carried away.

Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:24:26 UTC | #934976

Go to: Ask Mayor Lee to Proclaim a San Francisco Day of Reason

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Comment 3 by Neodarwinian :

@ Jay G

Were you speaking generally, or to me?

I lived in San Francisco for close to 25 years and I still say, knowing Chinese politicians not to mention the Catholic church, that this could go either way.

I was speaking generally. I don't see San Francisco and reason as being in the same sentence.

Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:23:29 UTC | #934975

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Comment 26 by the great teapot :

Jay G So typical of a sports fan to believe his club is the centre of the universe. as if god would care about a handball team. Parochial smallmindedness. It is clearly Boro's lack of bank holiday success that is pissing him off. Great win against Derby should go some way to placating him.

It's BASEBALL, not handball, you dumb limey !!! Small wonder you could not hold on to the colonies.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:30:59 UTC | #934927

Go to: Ask Mayor Lee to Proclaim a San Francisco Day of Reason

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Are you kidding? San Francisco?

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:29:28 UTC | #934926

Go to: Mount Etna eruption expected any time now - webcam

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Comment 14 by The Jersey Devil :

God is upset because the Mets lost and he's taking it out on the Sicilians.

Let's be honest, if you're going to punish someone without good reason - we would all pick on the Sicilians

I would pick on Brooklyn.

As if God isn't a Yankee fan and Saten Island isn't the borough most deserving of his wrath.

Staten Island? What's that? Oh yeah, that's that mud hole between Jersey and Brooklyn.

Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:23:28 UTC | #934230

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Comment 10 by jimbobjim :

Comment 5 by Jay G :

God is upset because the Mets lost and he's taking it out on the Sicilians.

Let's be honest, if you're going to punish someone without good reason - we would all pick on the Sicilians

I would pick on Brooklyn.

Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:43:44 UTC | #934183