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What about the argument that in some Muslim societies woman are valued below livestock? That would suggest it's more a simple matter of ownership rather than paternity.? After all, ownership of slave girls had Mohammed's approval.

Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:09:30 UTC | #946298

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The idiot isn't even a competent creationist - hasn't he heard of the "kinds" invented to get over Noah's accommodation problem?

Fri, 18 May 2012 21:22:35 UTC | #942232

Go to: How Critical Thinkers Lose Their Faith in God

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I'm not so sure about difficult font = critical thinking. By that reckoning, anyone who could read in the Middle Ages would have automatically become an atheist. Conversely, anyone using Comic Sans would end up being mocked on Pharyngula!

Thu, 03 May 2012 23:22:40 UTC | #939469

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Comment 12 by drumdaddy

I suspect that hundreds of millions of people in the religion bubbles would also feel comfortable in the ominously black secular bubble with regard to keeping religion out of governments.

I'm sure they would. It could well be an uncomfortable or even dangerous journey going along the line to get there, though.

Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:40:51 UTC | #931651

Go to: The God issue: New science of religion

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Wikipedia says:

Founded in 1956, it is published by Reed Business Information Ltd, a subsidiary of Reed Elsevier.

Hmm, Elsevier's come in for some stick lately. Perhaps this is part of a preparation to recoup potential losses on its academic publications. Dumbing down, in fact?

Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:45:45 UTC | #929699

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Comment 5 by Mark Jones Hmm, Test of Faith certainly needs watching - as does any religious group going into schools. I see they get stuff from the Stapleford Centre, which peddles a DVD praising the awful anti-contraceptionist "Mother" Teresa Bojaxhiu. They say this about themselves:

If modern Britain is becoming a battlefield between those with religious faith and those with none, education is on the front line. Debates about the role of religion in school life are heated and sometime acrimonious, with some bandying about terms like indoctrination and even child abuse.

Trevor Cooling's report offers a cool, reasoned and nuanced contribution to the debate. Drawing on several detailed examples he shows that the idea that education is morally neutral or objective is indefensible. Teaching is shaped by our understanding of which virtues we should practise, what qualities we should value, ultimately of what kind of people we should be. To pretend otherwise is naive or, worse, an attempt to ban from the classroom moral and metaphysical commitments simply because a minority of anti-theists dislike them. God belongs in the classroom, Cooling argues, not simply because it is a right that comes with living in a liberal society, but because the Christian contribution to education is positive and constructive, contributing powerfully to our common good.

Doing God in Education is an important, reasonable, balanced and thoughtful contribution to the case for Christian education. It deserves to be read by those who seek to shape Christian education in our public life and those who want to eradicate it.

http://www.stapleford-centre.org/resources/doing-god-in-education Enough there, I think, to show that they at least claim the moral high ground for religion and see themselves in a battle with rationalism.

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:41:19 UTC | #928679

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It happens here in the UK too. A Young Earth creationist science teacher has boasted that he went to the school's Christian Union club after school and told his pupils that what they'd been taught in class was wrong: it was just for the exams. He then went on to contradict his science lessons with anti-science creationism. So need to bring in outsiders, there are teachers who do it.

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:37:37 UTC | #928625

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Comment 242 by Ophelia Benson

Excellent blog post Fail of the House of Lusher.

Hmm, so the name "Lusher" is derived from "Ussher". I wonder if he has genes making him believe the universe is only 6000 year old? It would account for his venom!

Sun, 19 Feb 2012 20:27:43 UTC | #919734

Go to: Beyond Reasonable Doubt? [Also in Polish]

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"Best of three" might be a safer system.

Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:22:15 UTC | #911756

Go to: Worrying developments for freedom of expression in the UK

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Comment 123 by Viveca Steve must be well aware that not a single mainstream political party in the country would endorse his preferences.

The political classes argue that without their control, there would be an outbreak of hanging, flogging. They seem to have extended that argument until there is a yawning chasm between between their views and those of the voters. Nor is there any difference between the parties, all having been taken over by the same ratchet effect driven by political "correctness".

Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:20 UTC | #909985

Go to: Worrying developments for freedom of expression in the UK

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So, the BBC has finally woken up to this - for it's Asian viewers, anyway. But what an awakening, We are told

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association is continuing with its protest against the image, saying it has wider implications.

Adam Walker, the association's national spokesperson, said the two student groups had worked well together in the past and said the offence was unnecessary. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote

The principle is more important than who is being attacked - this time

it is Muslims and Christians but in the future it could be atheists themselves”

Adam Walker Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association spokesman

"The principle is more important than who is being attacked - this time it is Muslims and Christians but in the future it could be atheists themselves.

Sorry? And there I was thinking that it was the Atheist society that was being attacked, by being ordered to take down its cartoon amid cries of synthetic outrage. Not to mention the campaign moving on to Queen Mary College with threats added. A positively Orwellian statement.

Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:13:13 UTC | #909758

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Comment 59 by Paula Kirby

The first is huge sensitivity on the part of UK politicians and others on the question of race relations. We are quite clear about race and religion not being a 1:1 relationship. Yes, Islam is more widespread in parts of the population with a particular ethnic origin, but criticism of Islam is no more an attack on, say, Pakistanis than my dislike of tofu is an attack on the Chinese. Nevertheless, we cannot deny that some racists have muddied the waters on that front, and that criticisms of Islam are therefore often feared to be a sign of racism.

Unfortunately it's not just some racists who have muddied the water. People have been charged with race offenses for action clearly levelled against religion. A section of the UK establishment still (or should that be "increasingly"?) seems to think that Muslim is the name of a race.

Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:32:35 UTC | #909668

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Tanweer wrote That's why I think the Jesus and Mo cartoons are poles apart from the Danish cartoons of infamy

Ah, yes, those famous cartoons. The ones which were first reprinted in an Egyptian newspaper with editorial condemnation but otherwise no fuss. The fuss only beginning when Muslim priests touted them around the Middle East with a few forgeries thrown in for good measure. See Wikipedia but be quick before it's shut down for a day in protest against Internet censorship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammed_cartoons

Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:12:43 UTC | #909295

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Comment 377 by Tanweer It would be rather like, in the future, meeting an intelligent extra-terrestrial species for the first time and having them do nothing but make fun of us...

If that were the worst we had to worry about, I'd be rather pleased.

Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:11:43 UTC | #908947

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In any case, surely Biblical morality as seen today is nothing but cherry picking. I don't hear anyone condemning wearing mixed fibres or urging the making of burnt offerings, for instance. As for graven images - oh, this is where we came in...

Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:45:15 UTC | #908709

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Comment 321 by Ignorant Amos No comment on the righteous Lot and his horny daughters? What about the 70,000 god off's because of David's heinous crime of ordering a census? Murder! There's been a muuuurrrrddderr! What is that commandment about killing or murder all about again? Stealing and rape.....let's see what it says about stealing and rape......

Careful now! You'll be offending somebody :-)

Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:05:59 UTC | #908660

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Of course, it's possible that entry to all universities is skewed these days thanks to the desire for the money that comes with foreign students.,,

Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:56:28 UTC | #908360

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Comment 261 by Strangebrew: You originally said

because the college was requested, if not told, to enrol Muslim students to make it appear as an ethnic equal opportunity organisation

I think this was what Jonathan was asking about. That Muslim students have been acting up about evolution is well known, and I'm sure most people would agree that people taking religious exception to what they are taught should choose another profession to study for. However the idea that UCL could be skewing its intake in favour of a religion for political reasons, if that were the case, would be well worth a further airing. I'm sure, apart from anything else, the Creationists would like a slice of that cake, Heaven forbid!

Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:16:07 UTC | #908349

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Comment 107 by shams2687

Question; If you do find this picture funny, what is it that you find funny? Would you find it it was a picture of two random people sitting in a bar having a drink? If not why not? I look forward to reading answers to these questions...

Actually, this is missing the point somewhat - as to some extent have the originators of the complaint. It's not a whole Jesus & Mo cartoon, which would normally have some amusing and/or observant comments dissecting religion. Rather, it's the graphic equivalent of a catch-phrase, which causes laughter because of its relation to comic episodes that have gone before.

Thus to a non-Muslim who didn't know anything about the cartoon series, it would probably seem meaningless and not at all funny. However, as people have to keep pointing out, it was posted by atheists, for atheists and as an advert for an atheist meeting in a pub was quite witty. Even though it didn't say - or even mean - anything at all.

Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:14:32 UTC | #907805

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Who's to say the pair aren't in Fitzpatrick's in Rawtenstall - the last remaining temperance bar? Perhaps they should open a franchise in the UCL union!

Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:03:31 UTC | #907076

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Signed.

Comment 39 by takistan

like the cartoons themselves, an ugly caricature that bears no resemblance to the reality.

And the real Mohammed looked like... what?

Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:08:48 UTC | #906997

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Comment 34 by SheerReason "We're heading for a global oil and energy crisis as well.. Their solution? Make more efficient cars."

Why was the Soviet Union so far ahead of the USA on fusion power? I can't help but think that the US oil lobby has something to do with it and has left the West dependent on Middle Eastern oil. And the Saudis and others rich enough to push their religion worldwide. If oil was no more valuable than sand, Islam might well be a spent force by now.

Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:29:18 UTC | #905264

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@Wayland Smithy #40 Sorry, that was indeed unkind - I hadn't twigged that you were posting here, rather than just being the author of the article. My apologies. No apologies, though, to F/u/ M/a/n/c/h/u/ Nigel :)

Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:01:57 UTC | #903007

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Surely the message to W/Nayland Smithy/ is that the world will hear from Him again!

Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:38:49 UTC | #902606

Go to: Do you get it now, Prime Minister? [Also in Polish]

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No problem celebrating Christmas - it's just another name for the solstice and the end of the shortening days is surely worth celebrating without any superstitious baggage. The date's not much of a problem either - there have been enough calendar changes down the centuries and we just happen to be stuck with a date that's a bit out and the split New Year gives us extra jollies!

Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:25:36 UTC | #901052

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Comment 86 by tommcc

I have just read that in this edition of the New Statesman,Professor Dawkins says his intention is to "destroy Christianity" Can someone who has read it clarify please?

Can you give us a link to where that interpretation comes from, please?

Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:08:55 UTC | #900575

Go to: Do you get it now, Prime Minister? [Also in Polish]

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@thinker4, comment 77

He/she may not have had much choice. In the UK a large proportion of primary schools are run by the Church of England, almost entirely at taxpayers' expense. It could have meant a long daily trek and isolation from local children if, as it appears, there was no secular school locally. That's what happened to a neighbour of ours who opted for non-local - in this case RC - schooling for her children. As it was, the head teacher seems to have played down the extent of the indoctrination which would be taking place, further biasing a decision away from finding a secular school somewhere - and still having to put up with RE and collective "worship". Of course, 30 or 40 years ago there might have been a lot less indoctrination but as I've pointed out in my two posts above, the CofE is now recruiting hard through "its" schools.

Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:35:48 UTC | #900053

Go to: Do you get it now, Prime Minister? [Also in Polish]

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And to bring that up to date the NSS Newsline, bang on cue, reports a move to push Christianity in to all subjects, right across the curriculum.

"Faith schools" plan to up the amount of religion condemned as "brainwashing" The National Secular Society has condemned plans by the Church of England to intensify the amount of evangelisation that takes place during school lessons as "brainwashing" and a misuse of public money. The comments come after it was revealed that researchers from the National Institute for Christian Education Research (NICER) and the Centre for Christian Education at Liverpool Hope University are to investigate ways in which Church of England and other Christian schools can push religion into all subjects taught in schools. Professor Trevor Cooling, who leads NICER's programme, said that it would involve C of E and Roman Catholic schools, and at least one from the Oasis group of academies. Researchers would work with five schools to include Christian values in the teaching of every subject in the curriculum including maths and foreign languages, he said. Parents would be involved with the project, and asked to help to assess the long-term effect of the changes on their children's attitudes.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/faith-schools-plan-to-up-the-amo.html

Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:11:10 UTC | #899917

Go to: Do you get it now, Prime Minister? [Also in Polish]

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For long enough, the Church of England wasn't terribly interested in its church schools. Then in 2001 it woke up and realised that they were a good recruiting ground for its diminishing flock/herd. The executive summary of its report The Way Ahead says

The General Synod and the Archbishops’ Council have identified Church schools as standing at the centre of the Church’s mission to the nation. Our work over the last eighteen months has confirmed the crucial importance of Church schools to the whole mission of the Church to children and young people, and indeed to the long-term well-being of the Church of England.

That's not just airy rhetoric. Here are some quotes from the main text.

The Church has a major problem in attracting young people to its services as a means of discharging its mission, and one that causes much concern. This bears directly on the future of the Church. In contrast the Church has some 900,000 young people attending its schools.

We have also noted that through the children attending its schools, the Church has an opportunity to reach out to parents. The 900,000 children provide access to parents, very many of whom would otherwise have no contact with the Church.

The Diocese of London said in its evidence: The Archbishop of York, as Bishop of London, was fond of pointing out that clergy will meet far more family members in a school than they are likely to encounter in Sunday services.

As of necessity adults will increasingly be engaged in the practice of lifelong learning. If Church schools can become family learning centres in response to this development, so also the opportunity to reach out to parents will be enhanced. It has been put to us that a measure of the effectiveness of Church schools should be found in the number of young people they bring into Church services or other Church activities for children.

http://www.churchofengland.org/media/1118777/way%20ahead%20-%20whole.pdf

Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:36:38 UTC | #899838

Go to: Freedom of Religion and the Secular State

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Comment 4 by strangebrew

I agree with Rosbif @ 1

There is no intersection of religion with society, it is a cloying, thick, pox ridden, suffocating blanket made of woolly vaguely itchy ideas and personal incredulity inter weaved with deep ignorance and pompous bigotry. It casts deep and dark shadows and stinks rank and foetid...admittedly that is just my opinion.

Sounds like a description of the real God Particle!

Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:35:46 UTC | #899326