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Go to: Unbelieving preachers get help to 'come out' as open atheists

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 5 by Michael Gray

Such are the ways of one who is inveigled into criminal parasitism, and then learns that they have been conned.

Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:38:37 UTC | #947409

Go to: Major Threat to Religion? Clergy People Coming Out as Atheists

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 27 by Michael Gray

And like the metaphorical walls of Jericho, the strained pretense at faith came tumbling down...

Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:36:55 UTC | #947032

Go to: Will we ever clone a mammoth?

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 11 by Michael Gray

…we could really start playing God in a few years

Let us hope that it is not the YHWH monster 'god':
"…arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 07:22:47 UTC | #946062

Go to: From the Edge of Faith to the Embrace of Reason

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 7 by Michael Gray

Some folk report that the softly-softly approach had not effect on them. It was only when they were goaded by ridicule and relentless logical factual questions they felt the need to respond with justifications for their beliefs. It is at this stage that they finally realise that that they have been lied-to, defrauded, parasitised and shamelessly used by church heirarchy.

I regularly hear that relentless ridicule was the initial trigger that led the meme-bot to abandoning the infantile notion of a sky-daddy, through them actually needing a cogent rebuttal to the opposition. Without this strong pressure, they felt no need to rebut using their own evidence.

Maybe it is an Australian thing. I don't know.

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 07:13:30 UTC | #946060

Go to: Tree of Life Project Aims for Every Twig and Leaf

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The formula that assume that species form a tree is bound to fail, as the true structure is more like a ragged net, or rete.

Vis: some species split and then recombine in some way later down the track, formed a closed polygon. This cannot be visualised by a pure tree structure.

I fear this effort is doomed, if they don't take this basic fact into account.

Tue, 05 Jun 2012 05:40:04 UTC | #945643

Go to: An Asian Origin for Human Ancestors?

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Comment 1 by mordacious1 :

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Funny that the article was written by Gibbons.

Did they use a million typewriters?

Tue, 05 Jun 2012 05:32:16 UTC | #945642

Go to: Does Religious Liberty Equal Freedom to Discriminate?

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 14 by Michael Gray

A telling condemnation of the insanity that reigns supreme in the US:

Maybe it is just because when visiting other developed countries it is sometimes easy to forget how it is possible that religious discussion can permeate politics as deeply as it does in the US

That as soon as one visits civilised locations, one is gut-wrenched at the absurdly infantile lies that pass as public discourse in the last fading moments of US world hegemony...

Tue, 29 May 2012 06:09:18 UTC | #944157

Go to: Psychiatry Giant Sorry for Backing Gay ‘Cure’

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Comment 18 by Hume's Razor : ... I would encourage those who equate psychiatry with voodoo to read Harriet Hall's piece over at Science Based Medicine as well as Steven Novella's five part series on the existence of mental illness and explain why they are wrong.

I'll bite. Hall's article attacks a different animal, vis: those ignorant folk who deny that mental illness does not exist, (I'm certainly not in their camp), not those who broadly and accurately equate psychiatry with voodoo, especially the utterly bogus and parasitic evidence-free profession of psychoanalysis.

1 down, 1 to go.

Ditto for the other link.

2 down. None left.

Tue, 29 May 2012 05:53:44 UTC | #944154

Go to: Australia, South Africa to share super telescope

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 3 by Michael Gray

The "Read More" link is borked.

Sun, 27 May 2012 00:24:19 UTC | #943734

Go to: Psychiatry Giant Sorry for Backing Gay ‘Cure’

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 12 by Michael Gray

Psychiatry = Voodoo

Fri, 25 May 2012 08:15:58 UTC | #943435

Go to: Ultra-Orthodox Jews Rally to Discuss Risks of Internet

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 33 by Michael Gray

Dawkins nailed it again in "The Selfish Gene":

This is a meme that has been cornered, and is lashing out, (using its meat-robots), in order to protect itself.

Wed, 23 May 2012 12:23:08 UTC | #943093

Go to: The Moral Necessity of a Godless Existence

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Comment 18 by Tyler Durden : …You're confusing "after three days" with the Nicene Creed which states: "and on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures".

Actually, this phraseology most likely derives from the Hebrew idiom of mentioning a thing by the convention of merely detailing their "bookends", as I call them. "Bracketing".

Identifying an item by mentioning its bounding extrema.

As in "alpha and omega" to mean "everything". The 3 days are an example of this idiom. Friday night to Sunday morning become: "Friday & Sunday".

Both bibles are replete with idioms and puns.

Tue, 22 May 2012 06:43:03 UTC | #942759

Go to: The Moral Necessity of a Godless Existence

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 2 by Michael Gray

In my not so humble opinion, Desmond Tutu is as at least as much a hypocritical parasite of superstition as was the vile Mother Theresa.

Discuss.

Mon, 21 May 2012 08:52:56 UTC | #942588

Go to: UPDATED: Why I want all our children to read the King James Bible

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 28 by Michael Gray

Trivial objections to Richard's assertion that "A native speaker of English who has never read a word of the King James Bible is verging on the barbarian." remind me of the pride that anti-science loons take in their proud acclamations such as "I don't go for all that sciency-stuff. Too brain-boxy for me!"

Actually positively reveling in their self-imposed ignorance due to ennui-induced slackness to the point where they declare it publicly!

They possibly also baulk at reading any Shakespeare, or Milton, or The Beano.

Sun, 20 May 2012 07:44:16 UTC | #942360

Go to: Dawkins Foundation: Innovating for a Secular World. A Call to Action by Sean Faircloth, Madison, WI

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 21 by Michael Gray

For what it is worth Ms. Cordeth, I concur wholeheartedly. I have a similar outlook, based on an emotional reaction.

Contrary views to the collective dogma seem to garner, (oddly), reactionary responses. I note this phenomenon not only on religious fora, but also on (increasingly) self-labelled rationalist/humanist fora. Fora that have progressively morphed into a sounding-board for mere lazy nay-saying.

Sun, 13 May 2012 08:42:06 UTC | #941262

Go to: [Update - statement from CfI ]Secular Group Charges Michigan Country Club with Religious Discrimination

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Comment 47 by Peter Grant ... So if the country club was owned by a church then their religious discrimination would be OK?


Comment 49 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee : Yes, I think it should be OK to discriminate in those circumstances, provided no contract has already been agreed.

Wow!
Do you also think it would be "OK" to discriminate against Jews, were the club owned by Neo-Nazis[1]? Think carefully before you respond in a knee-jerk manner, for the two cases are EXACTLY equivalent.


I am asking a serious question here.
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[1] Provided that the two parties were not already contractually bound to provision of the facilities in return for a 'consideration'.

Tue, 01 May 2012 12:25:31 UTC | #938643

Go to: Sidebar: Pastor’s loss of faith started with loss of hell

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Comment 6 by TheRationalizer :

... The whole point is that we are all individuals

I'm not!

Tue, 01 May 2012 12:01:47 UTC | #938634

Go to: For clergy, lost faith can lead to lost family, jobs

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 2 by Michael Gray

Wow! I foresee an unstoppable roller-coaster being launched.

And history will record that the brakes were released by one Richard Dawkins, at least in the USA. No need for humility, Richard. Your personal initiatives clearly have triggered the various avalanches of adult-hood that we are witnessing.

Tue, 01 May 2012 11:59:08 UTC | #938632

Go to: Study: US College Students Advance Little Intellectually

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Nothing is new under Sol. (@ Approx ~400BC:)

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers

(Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 (1953))

Tue, 01 May 2012 11:51:11 UTC | #938629

Go to: From Minister To Atheist: A Story Of Losing Faith

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 14 by Michael Gray

This is an issue that the Aspie Spock's of this world struggle to comprehend. I know, I am one of them. And I imagine that so are more than a few of the responders here. You know who you are.

And I contend that it is not fair to judge a neurotypical individual by "our" different ethical standards.

Tue, 01 May 2012 11:41:50 UTC | #938627

Go to: Survey finds no hint of dark matter near Solar System

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Is Dark Matter the new Ether?

Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:53:02 UTC | #936900

Go to: [Update - WCTV Video] Teresa MacBain - coming out - American Atheists Conference March 26, 2012

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Comment 45 by wolfhoundGrowl :

I was an apprentice preacher for a conservative protestant oprganisation in the UK. Or an Evangelist as we're better know, after fuffiling my 'apprenticeship' there I went to semonary which ironcally helped me get out of Christianity.

As many theologians have observed over the millennia: If one graduates from seminary college, and still believes in a god, then one simply has NOT paid attention to the course material.

Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:54:40 UTC | #932335

Go to: Prime Minister’s dissembling, hypocritical and disingenuous speech to religious leaders

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Comment 3 by Sample :

This looks like doublespeak. With the simple word, struggle, he appeases accommodationists and people of faith.

Mein Kampf. That turned out OK, eh?

Wed, 04 Apr 2012 12:48:21 UTC | #932333

Go to: Jonathan Haidt: Religion, evolution, and the ecstasy of self-transcendence

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 52 by Michael Gray

"Group Selection"!?!? By what/which mechanism is "the group" decided? Is it the family? The tribe? Is it monotremes? Is it marsupials? Is it mammals? Is it quadrupeds? Or is it plants? (If not, why not?)

I see "Groups" as being artificial constructs of human minds, hardly subject to natural selection pressures.

Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:21:14 UTC | #931640

Go to: [Update - WCTV Video] Teresa MacBain - coming out - American Atheists Conference March 26, 2012

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 16 by Michael Gray

You have my hearty support in your decision to cease being a vector for these pernicious memes.

Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:52:31 UTC | #931630

Go to: Graphic: A demographic breakdown of the world of religion

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The map shows the USA as being "Less Religious" than average. I call "foul".

Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:48:00 UTC | #931628

Go to: Jonathan Haidt: Religion, evolution, and the ecstasy of self-transcendence

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 3 by Michael Gray

There is nothing more dangerous than a man that knows the truth.

Is that a fact?!

Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:04:32 UTC | #928832

Go to: Four Bad Reasons to Believe Anything

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Comment 19 by mirandaceleste : unnecessarily nasty (the use of "pathetic", for example)

Pathos need not imply scorn, nor nastiness. Merely an appeal to emotion.

Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:02:23 UTC | #928830

Go to: Destroy all churches in the Arabian Peninsula – Saudi Grand Mufti

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Comment 24 by Mr DArcy

I wonder what his poetry is like?

micturations خاصتك هي لي
كما gabbleblotchits plurdled
على نحلة lurgid
أن mordiously هاث bitled خارج
لها jurtles earted
في زنخ المتقيحة [غرق بها يئن ويصرخ]
الآن agrocrustles jurpling slayjid
والإلتهام hagrilly حتى axlegrurts
وglupules يعيشون frart وslipulate
مثل jowling liverslime meated
Groop، أتوسل اليك، turlingdromes بلدي foonting
وdrangle hooptiously لي
مع bindlewurdles مجعدة،
وإلا سأقوم تمزق اليك في gobberwarts مع blurglecruncheon بلدي
معرفة ما اذا كنت لا تفعل ذلك.

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:49:23 UTC | #928551

Go to: Destroy all churches in the Arabian Peninsula – Saudi Grand Mufti

Michael Gray's Avatar Jump to comment 3 by Michael Gray

What does Baroness Warsi have to say on the matter, I wonder?

Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:06:51 UTC | #928201