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Go to: German politicians pledge to protect religious circumcision

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@Schrodinger's Cat: I do hope you are right. Giving in to the religious on matters such as this is something that should no longer be acceptable. They need to be called out on their outdated and inhumane practises and they need to realise that religion will no longer be given undue respect, just because it's religion.

Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:04:58 UTC | #949643

Go to: Atheism: the cheapest alternative?

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Lurkers on this thread may be upset about my treating religion as something to be prevented or cured,

Why we're supposed to treat this hobby any differently to others is beyond me.

As for getting people to "buy in" to atheism because it's the cheapest of all, I don't see it working. The religious want to have something "otherworldly" otherwise they wouldn't be religious, so atheism won't work for them.

Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:01:44 UTC | #949642

Go to: Anti-Dawkins legislation

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You know you've made the big time when laws are passed bearing your name. Pity it's a joke really.

Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:56:49 UTC | #949641

Go to: Refugee visa for Alexander Aan?

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While it may be a good idea to give Alexander Aan refugee status, I think it would be far better to pressure the authorities in places like Indonesia to recognise atheists and to protect their rights (easy to say, living as I do in the UK).

Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:35:32 UTC | #948964

Go to: Moral compass: a guide to religious freedom

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Many believers point out that faith plays a unique role in their lives. That is often true. Those atheists who dismiss belief in God as no more credible than belief in Santa Claus or in fairies miss the point. Religion is more than an intellectual exercise or a matter of logic; it often has, for believers, a vital social and spiritual function. But acknowledging the vital and unique role of faith in the lives of believers does not commit us to providing it with a privileged position in society.

It may have an important role in their lives, but that doesn't make it any truer than fairies, Jack Frost or the Easter Bunny.

Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:18:22 UTC | #948004

Go to: The Dawkins Challenge

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The word to describe this is "deepity".

Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:27:41 UTC | #947341

Go to: Spanish artist faces prison over 'how to cook Christ' film

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"offending religious feelings"

So I take it that Spanish christians will demand that muslims be taken to court for saying that jesus was only a prophet and not the son of god? And vice-versa? After all, if those ideas don't offend then what does?

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:38:16 UTC | #946107

Go to: The Ancestor’s Trail – 25/26 August 2012 - with Keynote Address by Richard Dawkins

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I heard about this a while ago and really would like to go. Unfortunately I won't know if I've got the time off work until the week before. I doubt at that late stage there will be any tickets left so it looks like I'll miss out. Pity that.

Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:33:15 UTC | #946103

Go to: 2,000 protesters support gay rights

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This pastor is even worse.

Wed, 30 May 2012 21:30:28 UTC | #944624

Go to: Research Report: How Secular Humanists (and Everyone Else) Subsidize Religion in the United States

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the recreational activities of others.

What a great way to describe religion :-)

Wed, 16 May 2012 21:47:04 UTC | #941921

Go to: Queen 'should remain Defender of the Faith' - BBC poll

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I was under the impression that the then pope gave henry 8 the title of defender of the faith for his role in defending the catholic faith and that he and his descendants just carried on using the title, even when they were killing catholics.

Tue, 15 May 2012 13:07:03 UTC | #941582

Go to: Ultra-Orthodox Shun Their Own for Reporting Child Sexual Abuse

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Their communities, headed by dynastic leaders called rebbes, strive to preserve their centuries-old customs by resisting the contaminating influences of the outside world.

What, like the modern day prohibition on molesting children?

Fri, 11 May 2012 08:34:24 UTC | #940988

Go to: Am I over-reacting?

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@Comment15 by mmurray

The UK system is very complicated to an outsider (of which I am one).

I'm an insider and I still find it complicated :-)))

I remember reading Billy Bunter books as a kid and getting confused about him being a "public school" boy when it was obvious to me that he went to a private school.

Back on topic, no it's not an over reaction, you weren't informed and have a right to make a complaint. If the school is going to send pupils to an explicitly religious camp, that should be made clear, it should not be up to the parent to go delving into the background of every group that the school links to.

Fri, 11 May 2012 08:27:26 UTC | #940986

Go to: Sri Lankan held for "witchcraft" in Saudi Arabia

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Just how backward and stupid can people become? Sorcery, witchcraft, demonic possession, if you believe in gods you can believe in anything!

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:09:33 UTC | #935746

Go to: Belief in God found in decline

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What intrigues me with this report is how it shows that those countries that get to children early have a higher proportion of believers than those countries where religion isn't pushed so hard. Proof that it's indoctrination at an early age that matters?

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:07:38 UTC | #935718

Go to: Cardinal Pell-"Jews intellectually and morally inferior"

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And there you have the real catholic viewpoint of jews.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:12:44 UTC | #934852

Go to: Richard Dawkins announced as 2012 recipient for ‘Services to Humanism’ award to be presented at the BHA’s Annual Conference

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Congratulations. An award that is well deserved.

Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:13:36 UTC | #934584

Go to: Update - Sanal Edamaruku under attack for exposing Catholic "miracle"

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This proves that religiots have no interest what so ever in truth, he shows them the evidence and they would rather ignore that and instead shout at him for exposing their lies.

Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:24:09 UTC | #934351

Go to: Mount Etna eruption expected any time now - webcam

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Considering it's night time over there right now, there's some pretty bright images being shown on those cams. Looks like you left just in time Paula.

Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:08:03 UTC | #934227

Go to: Are You a Believer? Take The Dawkins Test.

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First off, this deity has to be defined. What exactly is meant by the word "god"? If we are talking about the Abrahamic god, then I'm a 10, this creature, as envisioned by the faithful (of whatever stripe) most certainly does not exist.

If we are talking about any of the gods that the human race has invented over the years, then again, I'm a 10. Non of them existed.

Could their be some sort of deist "thing" outside of the universe, that has no interaction with the universe? By definition, this "thing" cannot be tested by anything in the universe so it is impossible to say either way. That would make me a 3.5 for this "thing". Do I think that this "thing" exists? No, I do not but because I cannot prove it one way or the other, I'm a 6.9 on this.

What evidence could change my opinion? Having been at the Dawkins/Grayling conversation in Oxford last year, I have to agree that there is nothing that would actually be good enough to prove to me that any god exists.

I live my life as a 7.

Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:07:30 UTC | #933261

Go to: Easter: A day of renewal, from many points of view

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All I take from easter (like xmas) is the opportunity to have a few days off work, to relax, enjoy myself with friends. I would take these whatever the reason given, I like having time off work. I don't need anything religious to enjoy myself.

Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:47:39 UTC | #933250

Go to: Russell Blackford replies to "Our Christian cultural bedrock"

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Russell nails the failures in peter Craven's report quite easily. Easter, like christmas, has moved on for the majority of the western world, it's now just a period in the year for a bit of a break from work with a few lingering memento's of it's history.

The problem for people like Mr craven is that there is nothing to back up the mythology of the original story, it has no more validity than the story of Red Riding Hood.

Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:29:26 UTC | #932751

Go to: Faith No More-Peter Boghossian interview

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Great interview, I want to hear more from this person. I love this quote,

Don't find a way of thinking that's terrible. Find ways of thinking that are at least mediocre.

Fri, 06 Apr 2012 08:05:17 UTC | #932702

Go to: Prime Minister’s dissembling, hypocritical and disingenuous speech to religious leaders

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The values of the Bible, the values of Christianity are the values that we need – values of compassion, of respect, of responsibility, of tolerance.

He has of course forgotten all those other values that the bible gives us, homophobia, genocide, misogyny. And the church has been so tolerant and full of compassion for the last 2000 years, showing so much respect to those who don't agree with it and being so willing to take responsibility for it's actions.

Yeah right!

Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:22:30 UTC | #932341

Go to: The ‘God wars’ and the Global Atheist Convention

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@34 chunkimunki:

Sorry but that made far too much sense.

Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:24:55 UTC | #931852

Go to: Richard Dawkins speaks at Reason Rally

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I hope all those attending have a great time. I wish I was there.

Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:47:12 UTC | #930114

Go to: Blessed are those with a persecution complex?

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Paula, when did you morph into RD? I love it when someone proves that they haven't actually read something, addressing their comments to Richard when you wrote the piece (comment on the original article from greenman-23).

Excellent article, you've nailed the whining perfectly. I agree with Linda Ward (comment 7), you should be writing for a mainstream UK newspaper.

Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:42:51 UTC | #930113

Go to: Secularists & Sundays

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I, along with numerous other people, have a job where I'm obliged to work on Sunday's. It's not every Sunday that I have to work but every other Sunday (that's not strictly true, sometimes I'll work several Sunday's on the trot then I'll have a run of Sundays off but it averages every other Sunday).

On my Sundays off I like to lounge around, reading a paper, taking it easy. But that's pretty much what I do on any other day that I have off. The only difference for me is that, when Sunday is my day off, I'm restricted in what I can do. So many shops are closed, so many institutions (like banks) are closed that I can't treat it like a normal day. This is bloody awkward when it's the only day I'm getting off and there are things that I want to do. For me, personally, I want it to be just like any other day. If I'm off work I want to be able to do what I want without petty restrictions that mean nothing but aggravation to me.

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:12:08 UTC | #929943

Go to: Richard Dawkins - MSNBC's "Up w/Chris Hayes" covering atheism in America - Sunday at 8am ET

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What time is that in UK?

Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:58:55 UTC | #929937

Go to: Yet another flea - Richard Dawkins' God Delusion [NOOK Book]

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Is evolving Nature all there is - a self-generated, self-propelled, and self-contained mechanism?

Pretty much, yes.

Are human beings, as the peak of nature, sovereign owners and masters of their lives and their world?

Who said that humans are the peak of nature? Everything alive today is at the same stage of evolution, ie. They can all be traced back to common ancestors.

That is the stance taken by Richard Dawkins, naturalist, biologist and atheist.

Is it? Really?

Or is evolving reality derived from, dependent on and empowered by God, the transcendent Source and Destiny of reality?

Which god? Stop making the assumption that there is and only ever has been one god.

Does this God reach out to humans as a person because humans are persons?

As above.

That is the conviction of the Christian faith and the stance taken by the author of this book.

Until the author can show that their god (or any god) actually exists then any assumptions made about that god are pointless.

Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:02:12 UTC | #929333