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mikeym's Avatar Jump to comment 48 by mikeym

I don't think Poel James' explanation of freeze frame and camera trickery actually holds water, although it is a good description of how such a trick could be done. Try watching Derren's prediction again (preferably at a higher quality than the you tube video) and watch for the jumping ball. It doesn't happen. The youtube video has been digitised and compressed and the difference between their apparent heights is one pixel. It's impossible to say if that's from the compression or real.

Watching it at a higher quality there is no obvious jump from the balls. Although they do appear mostly straight at the start they are much further from the camera than when they show the close up with the slightly raised ball and the gap could easily be less than one pixel at that distance and therefore not visible.

Now they mention how the screen shake is 'digital' in the explanation and how all the movement is left to right up or down as would be the case for a digital shake, but that's not what I see watching the video. Watch the left side of the balls and their distance from the pillar just to their left that apparent distance is changing throughout the video exactly as you would expect if the angle of the camera were changing as well as its position.

Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:10:00 UTC | #397592

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I suspect the seat thing was an attempt to get everyone watching the program to get up off their seats. What better way than tell them they can't?

Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:47:00 UTC | #397582

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"You are no fool and yet even you have fallen for it." Might well have done, but that's because it's a very plausible alternative explanation to the stated one.

But I'm still not seeing what is so much harder to achieve with suggestion than with slight of hand? Especially when he's doing everything that - at least on face value - would seem enough to do it with suggestion anyway.

I seem to remember a trick about a clock. There was lots of stuff about mind reading but when it came down to it he made a hand gesture for clock which the hands were at the time he wanted the guy to pick. I don't see what's so impossible that he picked up on that subconsciously. It's exactly the kind of thing people do all the time.

(edit) Also I don't mean hypnotic suggestion or anything like that. Just in case there's any confusion. Feed someone a prompt. Ask someone to pick from an arbitrary list, and let them pick what you prompted.

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:11:00 UTC | #397377

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"You seriously think he'd rely on that when a simple card palm would be sure every time? Come on.." He doesn't seem to get it right every time. There are clips of him with people who are a bit more savy and the whole suggestion thing doesn't work. I can't help but think that magicians see slight of hand because that's what they're expecting. Although he did use slight of hand for the final winning ticket on "the system".

But every trick appears to have the same underlying prompts. It's a lot of effort to go to if it's got nothing to do with the trick. The cabbie's the same, I've seen him do it on a couple of shows and he basically leads him on a journey with voice clues and tapping them on each shoulder.

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:33:00 UTC | #397359

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Maybe he isn't. I'm far from an expert on magic tricks but if he's not his putting a lot of effort into something he's not using. The girl with the mice was suppost to be about the predictability of people but he was fairly obviously cueing each box number to her before she went for one. This was to the degree that I was easily able to pick the box before she did. But I am willing to accept that this was another layer to the trick.

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:20:00 UTC | #397351

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No not ironic. From what I've seen he has one "trick" which is suggestion. He dresses it up in different ways but that always seems to be what it comes down to. I've never seen him use camera trickery (other than in the advert which I'd say was excusable) or trapdoors or any of that other magician nonsense. That said I'm not ruling it out in this case. But I would be disappointed.

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:04:00 UTC | #397339

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Using camera tricks on an obviously staged advert is one thing. Using them as the basis of a trick like the one seen in the event is another. I would be deeply disappointed in Derren Brown if he resorted to such low tricks as they are the antithesis of his style of trick. One of the main things I like about him is that he doesn't resort to the hokey tricks of magicians.

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:47:00 UTC | #397329

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I thought the program was good. No one really expected a definitive explanation although I don't think he would have been able to resist giving some definite hints as to how it was done.

People wanted to believe that he had used some supernatural means or discovered some pattern to the lottery numbers, and he offered those explanations to those who wanted to hear them. However he did explain how he did the trick, although due to its illegality he protested emphatically that he did not do it that way.

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:15:00 UTC | #397229