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ArtR's Avatar Comment 1 by ArtR

The Creation Museum is just another religious embarrassment to the USA but a lot of my fellow citizens are not smart enough to see it.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:02:00 UTC | #45378

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 2 by Steve Zara

Good to see Krauss doing this.

Incidentally. I found out something rather amusing about the Creation Museum. They say that T Rex ate coconuts. Well, I am afraid that according to most biblical interpretations, that is wrong. Genesis 1:30 says:

"and to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for food: and it was so"

Unfortunately, the coconut palm is not a herb. It has vascular bundles within its trunk that resemble those in coniferous and dicotyledonous trees.

I am tempted to initiate a campaign to close the Creation Museum because they contradict the bible - how dare they claim that pre-flood animals ate things other than green herbs!

They can't even accurately mislead people...

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:33:00 UTC | #45382

graham513's Avatar Comment 3 by graham513

I really think that this museum is going to backfire on them. I cant imagine anyone with a brain walking into that place and taking it seriously......besides children that is.....oh wait a minute. Museum that looks cool to kids = daily conversions. Them damned christians are slick.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:41:00 UTC | #45384

liberalartist's Avatar Comment 4 by liberalartist

Unfortately I think this museum will be packed all summer with fundamentalist and also other christians that think because its "religious oriented" it must be a good thing. I work at a college and I work daily with students who want to be doctors or engineers and can't pass the first chemistry or biology course. America is already shamefully ignorant about science and math. This is the trend that has been happening for the past decade and its only getting worse. No wonder our government is desperately trying to pass an immigration bill that will attract high-skilled immigrants! We will soon have none of our own!

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:08:00 UTC | #45394

bluebird's Avatar Comment 5 by bluebird

Part of the problem is the U.S. 'No Child Left Behind' education policy, or as one critic calls it, "No Child Gets Ahead". It has weak emphasis on math/science.

Also, there are too many "empowered, but not educated" classes.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:46:00 UTC | #45405

petermun's Avatar Comment 6 by petermun

Can't we hear what Fred Flintstone has to say about all this?

I just love this site, but what I read about the theopaths each day is making me either fall on the floor with mirth or become angry to burst!

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:59:00 UTC | #45410

sornord's Avatar Comment 7 by sornord

For Liberalartist: What we have in the US education system is the result of a couple generations of "dumbed down" standards, where self esteem, political correctness and social skills/awareness were emphasized instead of scientific reasoning, independent investigation and evidenced-based critical analysis.

Consequently large segments of the population are dumb as a box of rocks, particularly in the sciences, but feel great about themselves...

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:40:00 UTC | #45413

bluebird's Avatar Comment 8 by bluebird

A volunteer at a Living History place showed us a lesson plan for 8th grade circa 1900 or so and said "look what kids USED to know at that age"; nowadays would be college entry stuff, if that.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:18:00 UTC | #45424

james_the_doubter's Avatar Comment 9 by james_the_doubter

T Rex ate coconuts
...Unfortunately, the coconut palm is not a herb.


Steve, if you want to use the 400 year old English translation (King James) then you need to be even more careful not to mess up the original meaning.

Modern translations of the Bible use the word "plant" not herb.

But even so, in the King James version, this verse comes in before the one you quoted:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."

So luckily, T-rex could safely eat coconuts afterall. ;-]

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:43:00 UTC | #45431

CJ22's Avatar Comment 10 by CJ22

That guy had a slot in the Beyond Belief sessions, as something of a religious apologist. Nice to see him taking a stand.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:00:00 UTC | #45437

MIND_REBEL's Avatar Comment 11 by MIND_REBEL

The creation(denial) museum is as offensive to rational thinkers as a WWII museum would be to holocaust surviviors.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:20:00 UTC | #45458

paulcaira's Avatar Comment 12 by paulcaira

I don't know about this. Surely this place is rapidly going to become the laughing-stock of the thinking world isn't it? Aren't the options for this museum going to be:
a) realise that most of the visitors are laughing at the them and close down.
b) realise that most of the visitors are laughing, and start laughing all the way to the bank
c) realise that most of the visitors are not laughing but take it seriously and that the US has suddenly become a third world country, because all the scientist have left for Europe, where they're allowed to do stem-cell research?

Do we have to picket? Isn't that what theists/anti-abortionists/anti-vivisectionists do?

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:17:00 UTC | #45472

Enlightenme..'s Avatar Comment 13 by Enlightenme..

1969..One small step
2007..One giant leap..back to th f'kn dark ages.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:18:00 UTC | #45492

ghostbuster's Avatar Comment 14 by ghostbuster

Hey, to creationists, The Flintstones was a documentary not a cartoon.
These guys are their own museum; someday they will be seen as that rather funny people who believed incredible things--and here's the museum to prove it.
History in the making, folks. Embarrassing history, no less.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:04:00 UTC | #45499

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 15 by Steve Zara

Modern translations of the Bible use the word "plant" not herb.


Most translations I have found seem to stick with "herb". And I am sure the Creation Museum does not want to have to deal with anything modern (like evolution, radioactive dating etc).

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."


But that does not change the meaning of the subsequent verses - sure, there may be plenty of fruits, but you are only allowed to eat the herbs.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:19:00 UTC | #45502

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 16 by Steve Zara

The creation(denial) museum is as offensive to rational thinkers as a WWII museum would be to holocaust surviviors.


If you are going to post things like this, then I am afraid you aren't helping atheism or clear thinking at all; in fact you may be doing the opposite.

There are world war II museums that are of deep significance to holocaust survivors, as they help educate people as to the horrors of the past. The Auschwitz Museum is good example.

Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:27:00 UTC | #45505

Sargeist's Avatar Comment 17 by Sargeist

The creation(denial) museum is as offensive to rational thinkers as a WWII museum would be to holocaust survivors.

Now, see, I read this as meaning that rational thinkers should *not* be offended by the creation museum, since a WWII museum is not offensive to Holocaust survivors.

But now I am wondering if perhaps a "faithful reading" of the original comment might require the interpolation of the word "denial" between "WWII" and "museum", i.e.:
The creation museum is as offensive to rational thinkers as a WWII denial museum would be to holocaust survivors.

I am going to presume that that is what was meant.

Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:51:00 UTC | #45535

Newton30's Avatar Comment 18 by Newton30

But even so, in the King James version, this verse comes in before the one you quoted:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."

So luckily, T-rex could safely eat coconuts afterall. ;-]

However, Strawberries are fruits, and their seeds are stuck on the outside, and are not within them. So the Bible turns out to be wrong after all. :( It was THAT close to being the perfect word of God!

Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:07:00 UTC | #45540

Sargeist's Avatar Comment 19 by Sargeist

But do strawberries grow on trees? I think the magic book might be right after all! God be erased!, we.., I mean, Praised!

Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:40:00 UTC | #45548

debaser71's Avatar Comment 20 by debaser71

I have to say it because Krauss seemed to echo these sentiments when regarding other people's activism regarding atheism and science. "This just makes atheists look like big party poopers and negative ninnies; aren't there more imp[ortant things to worry about; people will always have their irrationality; these actions do more harm than good; this won't reach out to the religious; etc"

ANyway I'm glad to see Krauss doing this. I just wish he wouldn't try and undermine other people.

Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:55:00 UTC | #45568

jayalenik's Avatar Comment 21 by jayalenik

Regarding the herb
I believe you are both misquoting
I have a certified copy from jc herself

"and to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for smoke: and it was so stoned"

Thats why t-rez could hang with people

Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:47:00 UTC | #45651

Enlightenme..'s Avatar Comment 22 by Enlightenme..

History gets properly recorded now, surely even 'normal' theists should be getting extremely embarrassed about what future history books record of this period in the land of the founding fathers.
Or is this some kinda plan to breed a generation of holy-warriors?

Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:18:00 UTC | #45677

The_Stone's Avatar Comment 23 by The_Stone

Dr. Krauss Rocks!

Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:44:00 UTC | #46225

kniggit's Avatar Comment 24 by kniggit

here here
Lawrence Krauss is fantastic, I really enjoyed his books, The Physics of Star Trek and Beyond Star Trek

Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:38:00 UTC | #46512

Big T's Avatar Comment 25 by Big T

Fools, the lot of ye! Everyone knows that all dinosaurs were vegetarian, T-Rex included. When my great-great-great-great-great-great etc. for 290 more generations grandfather used to ride his Tyrannosaurus Rex to the grocery store to get some Apatorsaurus ribs for a barbecue, he had a hard time controlling his 20 ft. tall, 45 foot long, 18 ton beast of burden, even with a saddle on it's back and a bridle on it's face. And it ate up all the plants in the neighborhood! After all, it had teeth 6 inches long that were serrated like steak knives. Of course it ate only vegetables! What else would it eat?

Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:58:00 UTC | #47066

Big T's Avatar Comment 26 by Big T

Oooops, I spelled Apatosaurus 'Apatorsaurus. An extra 'R'. That's what I get for posting after a couple of drinks.

Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:01:00 UTC | #47067

dancingthemantaray's Avatar Comment 27 by dancingthemantaray

I can't feel any ill will towards the creation museum really, it's so bizarre it goes into humorous-can't help but think it'd be a really fun day out (it's meant to be really well done inside, with help from nut job SFX guys!)

Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:56:00 UTC | #51049