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frankscopia's Avatar Comment 1 by frankscopia

excellent(in a monty burns type of way)
lets all flag up the vids on youtube of all those moronic muhamadist preachers who justify the sayings of a thieving, murdering pedophile.

Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:33:00 UTC | #246331

Invisible Talker's Avatar Comment 2 by Invisible Talker

Justice has been done.

Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:34:00 UTC | #246332

Monosilabbiq's Avatar Comment 3 by Monosilabbiq

Some people on this site don't like Pat's "in your face" style. But I do. I agree with using ridicule and disgust to highlight the abuse and irrationality of those afflicted with faith.

Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:35:00 UTC | #246334

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 4 by Diacanu

Nice, Youtube's won back my respect. :)

Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:52:00 UTC | #246340

the way's Avatar Comment 5 by the way

Yeah! Don' diss free speech.
Respec' and of course, "peace"!

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:00:00 UTC | #246342

foolfodder's Avatar Comment 6 by foolfodder

I think it is great that YouTube has reinstated this video and the ones by fsmdude.

On the subject of the petition, I found myself unable to sign it. I just don't think that it's fair to single out one type of arbitration when there are many others, and that it would be difficult to achieve both politically and legally.

What i think might work is a prohibition against arbitrators discriminating on the basis of things like gender or race. I expect this could hobble some of the worst bits of sharia.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:06:00 UTC | #246344

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 7 by Dhamma

I'm very positively surprised they reinstated it. There is hope after all.

OT: Kermit the frog "promotes" TGD in the video of his version of "Hurt".

Really funny!

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:07:00 UTC | #246345

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 8 by Steve Zara

Pat Condell is hard-hitting, but always quietly reasonable in tone.

I just can't agree with "always" quietly reasonable. Mostly, yes. But sometimes he switches to "Alf Garnett" mode, and is quietly reasonable in the way that Richard Littlejohn is quietly reasonable. His provocativeness is part of his attraction to many.

An example of this is here, where Condell condemns "polite debate":

"To engage dogma in debate is to legitimise it". That isn't just creationism, but any dogma.

Here are more of his comments about his views on debate with the religious:

"Show us all what a clever dick you are".

"You don't have a cause, what you have got is a hobby".

"Save me from the curse of polite and deferential atheists".

(Trying to imagine Christoper Hitchens' reaction to being called a "curse", and a "clever dick" by Condell is quite amusing)

So it appears that a considerable volume of useful (in my view) discussions involving the likes of Shermer, Dennett, Stenger, Hitchens, Miller and Atkins is a self-promoting waste of time according to Condell.

I don't know if Condell's approach helps the cause. I have heard that many young "budding" atheists find encouragement from his videos. But I don't think he can be said to be always quiet and reasonable. If he was, there would not be the sense of anticipation when one starts a new video of his.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:10:00 UTC | #246346

alfonso's Avatar Comment 9 by alfonso

It burns me that the first reaction was the knee-jerk reaction to remove the video AND THEN review it.

I guess they have their procedures for this and they do what is most efficient for their business, but sounds like they are too quick to remove videos.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:17:00 UTC | #246351

Palaeogluttony's Avatar Comment 10 by Palaeogluttony

Meanwhile, Extantdodo's account is still suspended.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:25:00 UTC | #246358

Valis667's Avatar Comment 11 by Valis667

Meanwhile, in South Africa the muslims had an ad for a cellphone ringtone banned:

'Terrorist' ringtone advert banned


A TELEVISION advert for an "Ahmed the dead terrorist" ringtone mocked Islam and must be withdrawn, the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has ruled.

The ruling followed a complaint against the GloMobile advertisement that shows American stand-up comedian Jeff Durham holding a skeleton puppet named Ahmed with a white cloth around its head, which demands : "Silence! I kill you".

The ASA said this was offensive to Islam and created the impression that all Muslims were terrorists who would kill to get people to be quiet.

The ASA said it appeared the puppet was meant to represent a terrorist, and the name Ahmed appeared to be of Arab origin and was one of the names of the Islamic prophet Mohammed.

"To associate this divine inspiration to a terrorist is offensive to the people who believe in him (Mohammed)."

The ASA ordered GloMobile to withdraw the advert . �" Sapa

I mean really, why do we give in to these people? Where's it all going to end, everybody has to "respect" their insane beliefs?

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:43:00 UTC | #246365

Palaeogluttony's Avatar Comment 12 by Palaeogluttony

'Terrorist' ringtone advert banned'

Good! That ringtone (and especially the stupid advertising for it everywhere on the net) was offensive to me as well.

It's just that in my case it offended my sense of humour.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:50:00 UTC | #246366

Valis667's Avatar Comment 13 by Valis667

It's just that in my case it offended my sense of humour.


Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:55:00 UTC | #246368

madame_zora's Avatar Comment 14 by madame_zora

Shocked and pleasantly surprised at youtube.

I agree with most of what Condell says, and he had a lot of valuable condemnations of that violent belief system known as islam in his video. It needs to be seen, and deserves to be seen. Every other religion accepts criticism and islam is going to have to learn its place in the western world, kicking and screaming if necessary.

Those of us who can prefer to fight with words rather than weapons. I applaud his efforts, as I concede to some extent that arguing with christians is more of a hobby than a cause. Ridicule is much more effective as a course of action- who debates wiccans or astrologers? Having public arguments at least makes the public aware of the arguments, but it's a hobby for many on both sides.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:14:00 UTC | #246375

a non e-moose's Avatar Comment 15 by a non e-moose

Everyone always thinks they're being specifically targeted by youtube censorship. Youtube automatically takes down anything that gets enough flags. The system sucks, but it's not any kind of horrible youtube conspiracy against atheists. Usually all it takes is an email to youtube. there's no need get all worked up every time it happens. Although getting worked up about it helps get attention for it, i suppose...

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:19:00 UTC | #246376

Matt H.'s Avatar Comment 16 by Matt H.

Now, if YouTube could leave every other atheist and secularist alone, things would be hunkydory.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:29:00 UTC | #246380

Swordmaiden's Avatar Comment 17 by Swordmaiden

Crazy People -0 Infidels -1
Hopefully those of us who plastered our protests over the YouTube comments linked to the video helped to make them see reason. I love Pat Condell BECAUSE he never lets emotion get in the way of reason and logic; he says what most people of reason think but don't have the balls to say out loud.
This is a real breakthrough and a welcome indicator to Islam that it can't always get it's own way. We need more of this in the mainstream; this is what will make society wake up and we won't have to call ourselves Atheists anymore...just normal people as opposed to the abnormal who believe in fairy for someone banning the Ahmed ringtone?...words fail me.
Well done YouTube.
I also agree we should lodge our offence to the Evangelical and other rants....just to make the point. This is a good day.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:34:00 UTC | #246382

Tzsak's Avatar Comment 18 by Tzsak

Hooray! Good job Pat~

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:46:00 UTC | #246387

Valis667's Avatar Comment 19 by Valis667

as for someone banning the Ahmed ringtone?...words fail me.

Yes, and this was done by a government agency. We're supposed to have the most progressive constitution in the world, guaranteed freedom of speech....but they put in a clause banning "hate speech". And they decide what constitutes hate speech.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:48:00 UTC | #246388

Swordmaiden's Avatar Comment 20 by Swordmaiden

Comment #259842 by Valis667:

Yeah....and that bloody frog thing was far more offensive !!

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:05:00 UTC | #246399

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 21 by the great teapot

So the whole of saudi arabia is mentally ill afterall.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:08:00 UTC | #246401

Styrer-'s Avatar Comment 22 by Styrer-

Excellent news. Should never have been pulled in the first place, of course, but credit where it is due. It was going to be very hard to boycott YouTube indefinitely...

Welcome back, Pat!


Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:54:00 UTC | #246419

JimmyGiro's Avatar Comment 23 by JimmyGiro

Splendid news.

Pat's work is as the performance artist, and as such wins admiration for style before we even judge his content.

And as those who have commented above, his content is impressive too; not least because of the quality and intensity of his detractors.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:14:00 UTC | #246424

brainsys's Avatar Comment 24 by brainsys

It generated more petition sigs (well mine anyway), good free publicity for Pat, Google are shown to be not all bad and the true villains are shown to be a bunch of too intolerant religionists.

Perhaps they will reflect that such actions are counterproductive. Good result all round I say!

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:08:00 UTC | #246434

FelixJ's Avatar Comment 25 by FelixJ

Fantastic!!! :D A victory for freedom of speech! Now we can poke them whenever they do the same to anyone else! And welcome back Pat indeed! :D

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:34:00 UTC | #246439

Enlightenme..'s Avatar Comment 26 by Enlightenme..

21. Comment #259855 by the great teapot on October 4, 2008 at 3:08 am
So the whole of saudi arabia is mentally ill afterall.

He's entitled to his opinion! (No further comment)

Petition signed.
Presumably we'll have to go down the Canadian route, and campaign for the end of Jewish arbitration etc, as well.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:24:00 UTC | #246449

leftbehind123's Avatar Comment 27 by leftbehind123

Your country actually has sharia courts? O_O

This guy is damn right! They want everything their way.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:28:00 UTC | #246451

bobsully's Avatar Comment 28 by bobsully

YouTube is a commercial entity. Its merely "bad business" when they get called on their unbalanced censorship. Those of us familiar with the company before it was swallowed up by Google clearly see the distinction. Its no longer about expression, but about the bottom-line, which is fine as that is what it is, they just shouldn't represent it otherwise. Richard Dawkins is very gracious as well he can be in the individual case, however the reversal of their decision probably has more to do with the exposure it was given, rather than their any grander principle.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:42:00 UTC | #246456

Enlightenme..'s Avatar Comment 29 by Enlightenme..

^^ We don't (yet) have full sharia courts of course.
However, as I understand it, we are 'allowing' or alternatively 'turning a blind eye' to arbitration based on sharia principles to be 'agreed' to by both parties, I don't know yet if that means that a woman's testimony is worth half that of the man's. Or how the rulings are to be enforced, maybe it'll be kept 'in the community', like it used to be in Northern Ireland.

Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:44:00 UTC | #246457

clustertim's Avatar Comment 30 by clustertim

Now why do you suppose they went and did something like that. Thats was pretty dumb of them to do wasnt it?


Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:07:00 UTC | #246461