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Fuller's Avatar Comment 1 by Fuller

Guh..

Speechless.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:49:00 UTC | #260440

Kiwi's Avatar Comment 2 by Kiwi

If she's such believer, shouldn't she be forgiving and turning the other cheek ?

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:52:00 UTC | #260444

Godfree Gordon's Avatar Comment 3 by Godfree Gordon

Where is "truth in advertising" when it comes to politics? I thought Australia was bad with pollies getting free kicks, but this is ridiculous.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:53:00 UTC | #260446

SilentMike's Avatar Comment 4 by SilentMike

And what about the slander against atheists Mrs. Hagan?

The hell with the both of them I say. Elizabeth Dole is worse, But Hagan plays along with her by protesting "I'm A Christian!" and not bothering to address the demonization of atheists.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:58:00 UTC | #260451

black wolf's Avatar Comment 5 by black wolf

A right-wing Christian conservative caught lying?
Wow, this must be a first!

Maybe she should be taking the money test: tell a Godly $1 bill from a Godless $1 bill ten times, or you're not a Christian (ok maybe you are, but God isn't real, take your pick).

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:05:00 UTC | #260455

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 6 by Bonzai

The GOP once again shows that it excels in gutter politics.

But more remarkably, you can actually attack someone by calling her an atheist in U.S. politics.

The U.S. is probably the only country where "intellectual" is a slur and "spreading the wealth" is almost treason. Scary.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:08:00 UTC | #260458

Ex~'s Avatar Comment 7 by Ex~

Man, I hope the Dems get their 60. Shit, I hope they get every fucking seat. The Republicans are pathetic, wipe them completely out and start again, keeping in mind what one made the GOP so grand in the first place.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:14:00 UTC | #260465

notsobad's Avatar Comment 8 by notsobad

So it turns out that the Republican candidate is an atheist.
Would you dare misuse god if you believed in it?

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:24:00 UTC | #260477

SilentMike's Avatar Comment 9 by SilentMike

8. Comment #274132 by notsobad

Maybe she worships the Devil. After all, they are very hard tell apart, ethically...

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:29:00 UTC | #260486

Wosret's Avatar Comment 10 by Wosret

It must sting being an atheist in North Carolina right about now.

P.S. I hope she still delivers the blood of christian virgins that Hagan promised for that atheist money. We totally need that!

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:56:00 UTC | #260507

Mango's Avatar Comment 11 by Mango

Hagan's statement: "We ALL love our country, and we all value the role of faith in American life."

No, we all don't value the role of faith in American life. Sheesh, panderer.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:29:00 UTC | #260522

root2squared's Avatar Comment 12 by root2squared

Being a godless American would mean you would be in the company of Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan, Dr. James Watson, Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", and the best scientific minds in America.

But of course, that would mean you would no longer be with Joe the plumber. And he is after all everything that America stands for.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:00 UTC | #260550

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 13 by Border Collie

This is why the Repubs are probably going to get one of the worst ass-kickings in US history this coming Tuesday. They are such a bunch of immature, petty, inane idiots, they don't deserve to run this country for one more minute.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:14:00 UTC | #260551

WilliamP's Avatar Comment 14 by WilliamP

This is outrageous. The ad is meant to at least tie Hagan to an atheist group, and likely imply that she is an atheist. Why is that okay' Let's assume that the ad is only trying to tie Hagan to an atheist group. What if Dole ran an attack ad alleging that she has ties to a Muslim group' Muslims would be furious and people would be disgusted.

Hagan was quick to disassociate herself from atheism and praise faith in god. What would she have said if she was associated with a Muslim group' She would have spewed some platitude about understanding the differences between our religions. No understanding for atheists, though.

Maybe we have to start whining like the religous folks do when people insult their beliefs.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:31:00 UTC | #260556

JFHalsey's Avatar Comment 15 by JFHalsey

As a NC atheist, I'm kinda torn on this one.

On the one hand, I despise Libby Dole and all she stands for. Do you know that she got more oil money than almost any sen in office? As soon as she launched her first ad against Hagan, I knew Hagan would be getting my vote.

On the other hand, I'm incredibly insulted by the whole affair, by the insinuation that "atheist" is the dirtiest thing someone could ever be called.
Of course, what do I expect? She could rape puppies and still get more votes in America thanby defending atheism... But her response leads me to believe she's not just being political, she really does think 'atheist' is the dirtiest thing to be called.

Still, she did attend that meeting that started the whole hubbub, so maybe there's more hope than I think.
But rest assured, as soon as she wins, I'll be writing her office.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:36:00 UTC | #260559

Edouard Pernod's Avatar Comment 16 by Edouard Pernod

This is so unabashedly offensive that it's practically comical. I might as well overdub myself with Elizabeth Dole's lips moving saying "I'm Elizabeth Dole and I love kiddie porn". I mean seriously. There was a Family Guy episode where something similar happened, and that was a joke.

Elizabeth Dole is the worst kind of slime, I hope this sinks her campaign. It's no surprise that being Atheist is worse than being just about anything else except maybe a murderer in the eyes of North Carolina voters. I've been there. There's more churches than there are people.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:45:00 UTC | #260560

cerebate's Avatar Comment 17 by cerebate

So when is Colin Powell going to make his statement?

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:54:00 UTC | #260566

black wolf's Avatar Comment 18 by black wolf

JFHalsey,
why not write her office before the election?
Candidates should be made very aware that there's a considerable voter base of non-theists, who are willing to vote for the better candidate, without caring for statements of faith.
If she or her office answers to polite questions from atheists, expressing full respect for their rights of citizenship, unbelievers should know this in light of this ad affair. If there's a public conference or q&a coming up, this question could and should be brought up.

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:56:00 UTC | #260567

JFHalsey's Avatar Comment 19 by JFHalsey

black wolf,
A fair question, but I kinda feel like my opinion wouldn't be heard amidst the last minute rundown to the election. I may be naive in thinking it will be heard even afterwards, when she's settling in to her new Washington office, but I feel like I might at least have a better chance.

Edouard,
You ain't $&*%ing kidding. It never ceases to amaze me what a backwards world I live in here in a First World country. I would very much like to stand up and speak out, but my wife owns a small business. There are three churches within a stone's throw from her studio. Three! Her clientele is almost exclusively upper middle class white soccer moms. To admit the truth--that we're atheist--would mean financial doom for our family. In fact, I'm getting nervous just posting this with my real last name on here... =T

Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:06:00 UTC | #260634

Laurie Fraser's Avatar Comment 20 by Laurie Fraser

Demonstrates, if nothing else, the filth that is U.S. politics. As long as either of these twats have the ability to hide behind religion, as if it is unassailable, we might as well go back to 1693 in Salem and start hanging heretics.

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:50:00 UTC | #260719

Brian English's Avatar Comment 21 by Brian English

As long as either of these twats have the ability to hide behind religion, as if it is unassailable, we might as well go back to 1693 in Salem and start hanging heretics.
I believe Sam Harris has tried to blend atheism with spirituality. Should we hang him? You know? That seems a bit heretical to this dogmatic atheist.

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:53:00 UTC | #260720

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 22 by Quetzalcoatl

Such a shame that atheism is seen as such a "dirty idea" that it can be used as an attack in such a way.

This is a good example of what I was talking about yesterday; we cannot afford to become complacent. We need to work to change the perception of atheism.

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:57:00 UTC | #260723

Brian English's Avatar Comment 23 by Brian English

This is a good example of what I was talking about yesterday
Wow! That must be an example of relativistic time dilation! For me it was today that you made that comment. My frame of reference has gone much slower in time than yours. Cool.

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:59:00 UTC | #260725

Laurie Fraser's Avatar Comment 24 by Laurie Fraser

Comment #274376 by Brian English

Don't think I'd hang Sam, Brian. Hitch, on the other hand...

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:01:00 UTC | #260727

Brian English's Avatar Comment 25 by Brian English

Why? because he went from commie to neo-con?

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:04:00 UTC | #260729

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 26 by rod-the-farmer

"What do we do with bitches ?"

"Burn them !!"

Too bad Hagan did not stand up for the rights of atheists to participate in a democracy, either as voters or candidates. I was once warned about N. Carolina, when there was a possibility I would be asked to move there for a job. I was told the first thing I would be asked when I moved into my new house would be "What church do you go to ?"

Of course, now I have an answer - Seven Day Adventurist.

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:06:00 UTC | #260732

Brian English's Avatar Comment 27 by Brian English

Laurie, the English language has a purpose, to be used by Hitch to skewer opponents. If it weren't for Hitch, then English would be superfluous, we could all communicate well enough in German, French or Swahili. Without Hitch, why English?

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:07:00 UTC | #260733

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 28 by Quetzalcoatl

Brian-

Wow! That must be an example of relativistic time dilation! For me it was today that you made that comment. My frame of reference has gone much slower in time than yours. Cool


It must be because you drive too fast. Slow down, before you achieve warp speed.

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:10:00 UTC | #260736

Brian English's Avatar Comment 30 by Brian English

Sorry Quetz, I figured that if I sped up I could bypass the boring bits and move on to the interesting bits. Seems I misunderstood relativity. I sped up, time slowed down. If I slow down, will time speed up? Counter-intuitive hey? Go slow so that things go fast.

Reminds me of the old Latin proverb:
Festina, lente! (Make haste, slowly!)

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:17:00 UTC | #260742

notsobad's Avatar Comment 29 by notsobad

SilentMike:

Maybe she worships the Devil. After all, they are very hard tell apart, ethically...

Of course, her god might just be an asshole that allows HER to do anything to succeed.
They call it a personal god for a reason.

Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:17:00 UTC | #260741