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friendlypig's Avatar Comment 1 by friendlypig

One more fossil two more gaps.

Will it never end?

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:12:00 UTC | #361813

MatthaiNazrani's Avatar Comment 3 by MatthaiNazrani


That's one more fossil and one more gap.

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:19:00 UTC | #361819

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 2 by Dhamma


I don't think it makes two gaps. The more they discover, the more they have to fight us. Eventually they won't claim there's two new gaps for each important fossil found.

I think evolution will be accepted by 'everyone' in a few decades.

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:19:00 UTC | #361818

chewedbarber's Avatar Comment 4 by chewedbarber

Jesus, how can it be so well preserved?

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:35:00 UTC | #361828

decius's Avatar Comment 5 by decius

Comment #378793 by chewedbarber

Peat. It creates a slow pickle effect.

Edit - Peat, not pit. :)

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:37:00 UTC | #361830

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 6 by rod-the-farmer

Lots of media attention to this, all over the place. Different aspects mentioned by different articles. This one might be tough for the cretinists to discard/disparage. Fingernails instead of claws, an opposable thumb, a foot bone just like humans, it doesn't get much better than this.

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:41:00 UTC | #361831

Koreman's Avatar Comment 7 by Koreman

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:43:00 UTC | #361832

Luis Dias's Avatar Comment 8 by Luis Dias

That's one more fossil and one more gap.

Nice remark. That's true.

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:49:00 UTC | #361833

fsm1965's Avatar Comment 9 by fsm1965

the limit of no "missing link" is reached, when no creotard can deny one fossil could produce another....

this will never happen due to the professional deniers/liars for jeebus

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his NOT understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:50:00 UTC | #361835

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 10 by Bonzai

friendly pig

One more fossil two more gaps.

Will it never end?

Good question. Indeed if you try to fill a gap by adding an additional piece it will generate more, but smaller gaps if you don't fill the gap exactly because (say in a one dimensional situtation) the gap filler you insert into a single gap would have two ends!

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:51:00 UTC | #361836

chewedbarber's Avatar Comment 11 by chewedbarber

Ah, she was pickled first. I suppose then we should have a closer look at those berries and leaves in her stomach, the first kimchi.

Tue, 19 May 2009 11:53:00 UTC | #361837

SASnSA's Avatar Comment 12 by SASnSA

Comment #378784 by MatthaiNazrani

That's one more fossil and one more gap.

That assumes they don't just stick their fingers in their ears, squeeze their eyes shut and repeat "La la la..." to avoid any knowledge of the new evidence.

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:00:00 UTC | #361842

friendlypig's Avatar Comment 13 by friendlypig

You're quite right it's one extra gap. Only half as bad as I thought then ;O)

It makes you wonder why the Devil placed Ida where he did making it look as though 'she' had evolved 47 million years ago instead of 6000 years ago.

Is there no end to His trickery?

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:01:00 UTC | #361843

clodhopper's Avatar Comment 14 by clodhopper

What twit has been sitting gazing at this fossil in his private collection for the last twenty something years?

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:14:00 UTC | #361845

Tezcatlipoca's Avatar Comment 15 by Tezcatlipoca

Comment #378810 by clodhopper

What twit has been sitting gazing at this fossil in his private collection for the last twenty something years£

"hmmm, we seem to be mistaken, those aren't the impressions of this creatures last meal, some twit used the fossil as an end table and apparently left the olives from some past martini on it."

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:19:00 UTC | #361848

Clairebear's Avatar Comment 16 by Clairebear

What exactly is an 'independent expert'? Are they talking about people who aren't really scientists in biology, or what? Never mind, I'm excited when they find a new fossil no matter whether or not it convinces people who don't accept evolution.

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:25:00 UTC | #361849

phil rimmer's Avatar Comment 17 by phil rimmer

One gap filled. Two new, different gaps created.

But lets not give up hope. Even creotards accept that evolution must be is quantised. In the limit of each generation there can be no gap. They've shown us the way with- "And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram...." ad tedium.

All we have to do is document every sodding thing that lived on the planet and we'll be home and dry.....

BTW. It seems that even then it was quite usual to observe some didn't do any begatting. Can't possibly be one of Steve's ancestors.

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:42:00 UTC | #361854

clodhopper's Avatar Comment 18 by clodhopper

Comment #378814 by Clairebear

Don't think the hardliners will be convinced whatever evidence turns up. Even without a single fossil it's still the only game in town though.

Anyone know when David's prog about it is on or did I miss it already?

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:43:00 UTC | #361855

Nastika's Avatar Comment 19 by Nastika

Here's a link to the paper:

According to the paper the fossil was discovered in 1983 and subsequently split into two and sold. The lesser half was "partly fabricated" to make it look more complete and discovered as a fabrication by one of the authors in 2000. The "boney" part is what has just come to light.

Interesting to note that this species' genus is the one that finally got the moniker Darwinius.

Tue, 19 May 2009 12:44:00 UTC | #361856

jaybee's Avatar Comment 20 by jaybee

Have a link.....It details when the documentary will be shown uk and worldwide. This is so exciting, provided it all stands up to peer review.

Tue, 19 May 2009 13:00:00 UTC | #361861

clodhopper's Avatar Comment 21 by clodhopper

jaybee: thank you.

The UK premiere of Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor: The Link will be shown on BBC One at 9pm on Tuesday 26th May. The version of the film made for the BBC is written and narrated by Sir David Attenborough.

Date for the diary then.

Tue, 19 May 2009 13:07:00 UTC | #361866

clodhopper's Avatar Comment 22 by clodhopper

This picture of the fossil plate is stunning in close up.

Tue, 19 May 2009 13:15:00 UTC | #361868

DamnDirtyApe's Avatar Comment 23 by DamnDirtyApe

Well, I have a new Desktop background today. :)

Tue, 19 May 2009 13:40:00 UTC | #361869

champloo007's Avatar Comment 24 by champloo007

The creationists have already took up defense. What idiots!! Is there no end to their willfull ignorance?

Tue, 19 May 2009 13:48:00 UTC | #361870

DeepFritz's Avatar Comment 25 by DeepFritz

Scientists hail the fossil.

All hail the fossil!

Tue, 19 May 2009 14:19:00 UTC | #361874

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 26 by Dhamma


Well, they're really taking this seriosuly. What, are they afraid or something?

Tue, 19 May 2009 15:05:00 UTC | #361879

ChaunceyGardner's Avatar Comment 27 by ChaunceyGardner

I think this is very exciting news. not just the discovery of ida and it's implications but the way they rolled out the announcement. It was done with a panache accompanied by media rich content, almost like a blockbuster movie launch, that suggests that science is beginning to understand and appreciate the rising draw of science alongside the rapid demise of crack pot theories.

They way they released the announcement will make it a number #1 smash hit video/documentary and book across the globe...reaching billions of normal people. As opposed to the traditional route of just publishing a scientific paper for the scientific community and inviting in a few press photographers to take pics.

I bet more than just a few creationists, staunch theists (who still cling on to genesis) and the odd Intelligent design fan will have just a few sleepless nights after the implications of Ida sinks in.

note to self: must subscribe to as many creationist/ID/theist twitter channels as possible. there must be a tsunami of WTF? twitters today!!

Tue, 19 May 2009 15:10:00 UTC | #361880

prolibertas's Avatar Comment 28 by prolibertas

FriendlyPig is right, it IS two more gaps for every fossil in the creotard's mind- one on either side. Homo Habilis is in a gap between Homo Sapiens and Australopithecus, but that just makes gaps between Homo Habilis and Homo Sapiens, and between Homo Habilis and Australopithecus. So two gaps where before there was one. Then we fill those gaps, say with Homo Erectus, and so it continues.

And that's the way it will keep going for IDiots unless we find a fossil for every single generation of every single species going right back to the beginning of time.

Tue, 19 May 2009 15:19:00 UTC | #361882

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 30 by Bonzai


FriendlyPig is right, it IS two more gaps for every fossil in the creotard's mind- one on either side

There are two gaps, but one more gap than before because there was already one gap before it was partially filled.

In general the issue is that you have a hole in some dimension (a 'gap' is a one dimensional 'hole'), by filling it partially you alter the topology of the hole, usually resulting in more holes ("components" of the void) when the boundary of the filling piece touches the boundary of the hole in some lower dimensional subspaces. Now we are getting into (co)homology theory in Algebraic topology.

You probably say "WTF?! are you fucking high?" :-P

Tue, 19 May 2009 15:28:00 UTC | #361885

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 29 by Dhamma


Of course there are two new gaps in the cretionist mind, but don't you think they'll eventually give up? I really believe the evidence will eventually be too overwhelming there's simply no chance of defending creationism.

Tue, 19 May 2009 15:28:00 UTC | #361884