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Mitch Kahle's Avatar Comment 1 by Mitch Kahle

Rachel is fantastic! Always willing to expose the right-wingers for what they really are: religious zealots!

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:10:00 UTC | #420689

Stewart Cowan's Avatar Comment 2 by Stewart Cowan

I have to say, what a disturbingly misleading title. What I gather from the video is that these so-called 'Evangelicals' are actually members of a cult called 'The Family'.

The Metro article actually admits (after the Guardian) that, "Canon Gideon Byamugisha, reportedly a prominent member of the Ugandan Anglican church, and one of the too few voices coming out of that country in opposition [to] the proposed ''kill the gays'' bill.

This seems to be just another desperate effort to blame Christians for something else.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:33:00 UTC | #420698

GodsDontExist's Avatar Comment 3 by GodsDontExist

wow, just by being born how you are you can be put to death! well, a lot of fundie christians will be extremely happy. i guess all that murder in the bible us atheists are always pointing out really is justified to these idiot christian leaders.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:40:00 UTC | #420700

GodsDontExist's Avatar Comment 4 by GodsDontExist

This seems to be just another desperate effort to blame Christians for something else.


There's that trolling Stewart Cowan again. Are we subject to more fundie bible quotes from you?

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:44:00 UTC | #420704

Mr Blue Sky's Avatar Comment 5 by Mr Blue Sky

As usual, despicable acts from despicable people who have managed to avoid education and still think that they are the "saved". Save for the bonfire they are not much use for anything else I think... how unchristian of me, but hey! I am an a-theist and do not usually subscribe to inhuman behaviour but I could make an exception.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:53:00 UTC | #420708

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 6 by God fearing Atheist

2. Comment #439180 by Stewart Cowan


Are you going to condemn or condone 'The Family' for this conspiracy, or just evade with 'not my kind of christianity'?

And you wonder why atheists are very pissed off with theists, are getting increasingly vocal, and why we are not going to accept 'not my kind of christianity' as an excuse.

'The Family' are evil, this law is evil, and you, Cowan, are a nasty piece of work.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:00:00 UTC | #420712

Mango's Avatar Comment 7 by Mango

Representative Anthony Weiner has been on Bill Maher's program and lots of other media outlets in recently. He's a VERY sound-minded, upstanding congressman. I'd love to see him run for the Presidency.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:08:00 UTC | #420714

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 8 by Bonzai

Unfucking believable. Now that is a fucking abomination to everything that is decent and moral.

There should be an international boycott against Uganda. This country should be treated as a pariah state.

How can these hateful, bigoted, blood thirsty thugs carry out crimes against humanity in the name of 'morality'? It is given that they have no shame, but not even a sense of irony?

For centuries religions have been legitimizing cruelty, bigotry and thuggery in the name of 'God'. No, "legitimize" is the wrong word. 'God' actually "instructs" believers to commit crimes, ranging from genocides to burning heretics and executing people with difference sexual preferences.

Now atheists have to plead that we can be good people without God, instead of putting the onus on those who profess theocratic beliefs? Is this a joke?

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:10:00 UTC | #420715

Demotruk's Avatar Comment 9 by Demotruk

@ Cowan, many of these members of "The Family" are republican politicians who get their votes based on their religious and "family" values, Mark Sanford for example.

Uganda has been their test bed for theocracy, and look how well it's turning out.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:31:00 UTC | #420721

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 10 by Bonzai

Stewart Cowan,

It is good to hear that you don't support the "kill gay bill" and "The Family".

But do you think homosexuals should be punished or discriminated in other, milder forms like being put in prisons or being denied jobs and housing? Do you think it is acceptable to preach day in and day out that loving and having sex with someone of the same sex is an abomination? Do you think it is ok to cite the bible to teach hatred against gays?

I know this bill is over the top and doesn't represent mainstream Christian position,--though it seems rather mainstream in Islam.

On the other hand, extreme bigots such as these do provide cover for other bigots by helping to normalize bigotry. Even the late Jerry Falwell would appear to be compassionate and reasonable by comparison and thereby making his position on homosexuality seems more legitimate. So, if you are with Jerry on this, you are actually taking advantage of something such as this 'kill gay bill' even without saying so.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:36:00 UTC | #420723

Rich Wilson's Avatar Comment 11 by Rich Wilson

The Family has lots of Democratic members as well, including Bart Stupak of the "let's not let women even pay for their own abortions" Stupak-Pitts amendment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupak-Pitts_Amendment

Don't let your guard down by thinking that Religious Zealotry only comes in Red or Blue.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:42:00 UTC | #420726

decius's Avatar Comment 12 by decius

Comment #439197 by Bonzai

For centuries religions have been legitimizing cruelty, bigotry and thuggery in the name of 'God'. No, "legitimize" is the wrong word. 'God' actually "instructs" believers to commit crimes, ranging from genocides to burning heretics and executing people with difference sexual preferences.


Hi Bonz

Are you now disagreeing with Scott Atran or am I misreading you?

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:51:00 UTC | #420732

David Blackwell's Avatar Comment 13 by David Blackwell

Good for Sweden, as is so often the case in these kinds of situations. But Rachel's mention of protest by the present Cheney-Karl Rove-Bush Jr. Canadian government--or by whoever its media manipulator may have been on this occasion--merits no feeling of reassurance.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:52:00 UTC | #420733

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 14 by mordacious1

Rep. Weiner states, "...while these guys might seem like yahoos to us, they're United States Senators, coming to a country like Uganda, then taking these positions and stating these views and advocating the way they are...".

Quite an embarrassment indeed! Morons.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:25:00 UTC | #420748

Big City's Avatar Comment 15 by Big City

I think more clips from the Rachel Maddow Show should be featured on this site, especially her coverage of the Family.

Edit: Also, if you watch Stephen Fry's speech against the Catholic church on IntelligenceSquared, he mentions his work fighting AIDS in Uganda, as well as the damage that Christianity has done there. I can't help but wonder how he's feeling right now.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:41:00 UTC | #420759

InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Comment 16 by InYourFaceNewYorker

These people and their stupidity!

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:00:00 UTC | #420770

j.mills's Avatar Comment 17 by j.mills

Stewart Cowan bleats:

This seems to be just another desperate effort to blame Christians for something else.
What do you imagine is the driving force behind Uganda's persecution of homosexuals, Stewart, if not christianity? God's clear instruction is that homosexual men should be killed (Lev 20:13). Do you disagree with god?

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:26:00 UTC | #420779

DamnDirtyApe's Avatar Comment 18 by DamnDirtyApe

So what else isn't 'your kind of christianity' Stewart?

How much of the bible is stuff you don't believe in. Let's start with something simple, like 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live'.

Cause plenty of Christians have taken that deadly seriously.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:39:00 UTC | #420804

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 19 by Steve Zara

It seems this is a good occasion to describe again the Zara Bible. Here it is:

The Zara Bible: Christianity for the [please enter surname]-ites

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The above is all true, so says God.

There. That should save paper.

Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:55:00 UTC | #420806

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 20 by robotaholic

It's weird watching 4 individuals calmly talking about the "KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS BILL" ££

And it doesn't sound to me like USA should have trouble pressuring Uganda to not pass the "KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS BILL"- just because USA has discrimination enshrined in many different ways in our system doesn't mean we're even close to KILL THE HOMOSEXUALS.

Hmm, I'm going on a vacation soon, should I go to Sweeden or Uganda£

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:30:00 UTC | #420812

Quine's Avatar Comment 21 by Quine

<!-- -->Check out the "Uganda be kidding me" coverage by Rachel Maddow.

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:42:00 UTC | #420816

Alternative Carpark's Avatar Comment 22 by Alternative Carpark

What does Stephen Fry think about all this, I wonder? After all, we know that Uganda is one of his favourite countries.

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:47:00 UTC | #420836

bethe123's Avatar Comment 23 by bethe123

I was at first reluctant to place the blame soley on religion, and not also on cultural factors, but as the author of the anti-gay bill is David_Bahati, who is a member of "the family", this does seem to be a bill of Christian origin...and as such I hope Christians everywhere will be united and vocal in their opposition to it.

That being said, Uganda should be very careful in its application of Christianity to justify controversial political acts, lest it forgets slavery was condoned in both the old and new testaments.

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:59:00 UTC | #420838

Frankus1122's Avatar Comment 24 by Frankus1122

I just watched a piece on sarah Palin talking about the need for "Godly Council" to help set the USA back on the right track.
If it is this kind of law that "Godly Council" leads to, then no thanks.

And where else would a nation derive such inhumane laws if not from god?

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:07:00 UTC | #420840

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 25 by Dr. Strangegod

Bonzai - Hate to tell you, but the attitude towards homosexuality in Uganda is shared throughout Africa. And the world for that matter. Most humans would happily murder or at least support the murdering of the abhorrent, and most humans think homosexuality is abhorrent. Which I and you and all of us here (save the trolls) find... abhorrent. (That's enough of that.)

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:07:00 UTC | #420853

mmurray's Avatar Comment 26 by mmurray

Most humans would happily murder or at least support the murdering of the abhorrent, and most humans think homosexuality is abhorrent.


Do you really think it is that bad? I guess you have to define `most' but most countries don't even have the death penalty for any crime even the most abhorent. Of course if you define most to be the total number of people living in countries with the death penalty that might be a majority due to China. I looked on wikipedia and got 70 out of 195 countries which have male homosexual acts illegal. No indication of the punishment nor if the laws are ever actually invoked.

Michael

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:40:00 UTC | #420859

root2squared's Avatar Comment 27 by root2squared

90% of new channel hosts are morons. But Rachel Maddow is quite OK. Usually, the female ones tend to be blonde bimbos hired solely for their sex appeal.

Though I wish they wouldn't use lame attempts at humor like "Uganda be kidding me". Leave that to the daily show, which, by the way, does a better job than most news channels.

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:12:00 UTC | #420864

root2squared's Avatar Comment 28 by root2squared

8. Comment #439197 by Bonzai

There should be an international boycott against Uganda. This country should be treated as a pariah state.


Yes. It should be treated just like other countries that treat homosexuality as a crime are treated. For example, Saudi Arabia. No country with respect for basic human rights and freedoms would be allies with it or trade with it.

Oh wait...

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:26:00 UTC | #420865

SaintStephen's Avatar Comment 29 by SaintStephen

You go Anthony Weiner! His statement concerning that dumb redneck James Inhofe's trips to Uganda:

"Our State Department has to be right there, almost at the same time, saying "You know what? These are fringe Senators, who represent states that have less residents than... Brooklyn, and this doesn't represent our view."
Now that's an In-Your-Face-New-Yorker! Your presence graces a bully Maddow pulpit, Representative Weiner.

(With apologies to RD.net's own InYourFaceNewYorker, of course.)

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:22:00 UTC | #420880

sbooder's Avatar Comment 30 by sbooder

It is interesting to watch the contortions on the faces of Christians; when the topic of homosexuality and their attitude towards it is brought up. The reason being, it questions god’s perfection.

They have two ways of looking at it. 1, being gay is natural, in which case god dose not conform to their own prejudice, and the tenet of bible is incorrect and made up by man and not the word of god.

Or 2, Being gay is not natural, in which case, god is not perfect, because he created everything, and if gays exist, he made a mistake, and again it dose not fit the accepted doctrine.

They will not even consider the 3rd alternative. God dose not exist, and homosexuality dose...Oooo that hurts!



By the way, off topic. Is anyone else using IE8 finding the RD homepage loosing all of its Style sheets and the left hand side taking over the page?

Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:25:00 UTC | #420881