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godsbelow's Avatar Comment 1 by godsbelow

Would love to see Richard's reaction to this so-called science teacher.

Also love the red-neck's example of impossible evolution - 'How can black people evolve from white people, that doesn't make any sense'. It's not the complexity of the eye, or the wing, or the nervous system that worries him - it's the possibility that whites and blacks might be have a common ancestry. That says quite a bit.

Updated: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:52:03 UTC | #485933

Skeptic Pete's Avatar Comment 2 by Skeptic Pete

Dear oh dear oh dear.

"How could a black African have evolved from a white person? We have different skin!"

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:41:54 UTC | #485934

godsbelow's Avatar Comment 3 by godsbelow

Notice also the not-so-subtle assumptions about race behind his view that blacks evolved from whites.

Wonder how he'd react to the likelihood that it was actually the other way round?

Updated: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:00:11 UTC | #485937

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 4 by Richard Dawkins

"How could a black African have evolved from a white person? We have different skin!"

No, it's even funnier than that. He didn't say "black African", he said "African American." Most so-called African Americans are of mixed race anyway.

Richard

Updated: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:07:01 UTC | #485938

ahmunnaeetchoo's Avatar Comment 5 by ahmunnaeetchoo

Anyone know when this was filmed? The haircuts seem to suggest a couple of decades ago or I've got something to learn about bible belts!

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:18:41 UTC | #485940

Skeptic Pete's Avatar Comment 6 by Skeptic Pete

Am currently having a discussion on my favourite Australian science forum about mutations and "information".

http://www2b.abc.net.au/science/k2/stn/

Do you know Dr Karl Kruszelnicki Richard?

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:19:41 UTC | #485941

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 7 by Bernard Hurley

Comment 3 by godsbelow

Wonder how he'd react to the likelihood that it was actually the other way round?

He probably thinks that the idea of him having "evolved from a monkey" is bad enough. But from a black man? Is nothing sacred to "evolutionists"?

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:24:34 UTC | #485944

dogigniter's Avatar Comment 8 by dogigniter

I actually signed up to this site purely to comment on this.

What. The. Shuddering. F?

Are these people really so stupid and blinkered as to 'think' that way? When these kids are taught someone else's warped and deeply flawed arguments in favour of creationism, surely ONE of them is clever enough to say, wait a minute, this doesn't fit. But no, their ridiculous blind faith makes it fit. This is the problem with the bloody world. Unfortunately, its not only Christianity that's the problem. We need a secular world.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:26:09 UTC | #485945

Squigit's Avatar Comment 9 by Squigit

"I can't tell them their views are trash."

You shouldn't have to, they should not be brought up in the classroom at all (in the case of evolution vs creationism) by the teacher.

In regards to the African American evolving from white people commment: I remember mentioning in a presentation on the legality of teaching creationism in public schools that in actuality, white skin was caused by a mutation. I was seriously waiting on them to bring out the torches and pitchforks!

BTW: This is my first time commenting since the site revamp. I need an avatar. goes off to find one

Updated: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:29:29 UTC | #485946

Paul Gray's Avatar Comment 10 by Paul Gray

These children are victims, the product of religious child abuse, and they should be pitied. It's obvious that they have been taught to regurgitate what a priest has fed them without subjecting it to any critical thought, garbage in, garbage out.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:54:14 UTC | #485951

heleninedinburgh's Avatar Comment 11 by heleninedinburgh

Just out of interest... is the spelling 'eduction' in the original?

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:11:35 UTC | #485955

Roger J. Stanyard's Avatar Comment 12 by Roger J. Stanyard

The Three "Rs" of education in the Bible Belt. Religious, Redneck and Racist.

Plus ca change.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:17:55 UTC | #485957

rogerdr's Avatar Comment 13 by rogerdr

He said an African American evolving from white, not the other way around, but still...criminally ignorant.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:18:59 UTC | #485958

hexenpluis's Avatar Comment 14 by hexenpluis

This is a clip from a BBC documentary "Science Friction: Creation" shown in 1996.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:21:09 UTC | #485960

mtmoriah's Avatar Comment 15 by mtmoriah

Oh Jebus!! Does the word, "wicked" come to anyone else's mind when watching this guy "teach" Biology?

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:33:49 UTC | #485963

mtmoriah's Avatar Comment 16 by mtmoriah

WOW that red head red neck doen't even know what he's talking about. Genesis actualy says that plants and animals came before man. SO even if his Bible was correct, he still doesn't know what it says

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:35:36 UTC | #485964

mustelid's Avatar Comment 17 by mustelid

The co-worker I sit next to is teaching a religion-ignorant co-worker this very kind of thing, and the woman is buying it. Sad.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:38:35 UTC | #485965

dazzjazz's Avatar Comment 18 by dazzjazz

facepalm

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:44:26 UTC | #485968

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 19 by Dhamma

Now, we weren't in the classroom to see the rest, but if they asked these questions (which they're entitled too, of course), that teacher must have sure as hell corrected them where they're wrong. If he didn't he is either the most uneducated science "teacher" one could imagine, or he has an agenda.

He says he thinks he gives evolution and creationism a fair shake, first off, he's not allowed to give creationism any shake whatsoever according to the curriculum. Secondly, if you say creationists are "lovers" whereas evolutionists are "splitters", whatever the fuck that means, it's pretty obvious he's not giving evolution a fair shake.

Edit: I wish it was more clear in this article that it's a documentary from 1996, as someone mentioned on YT. Not easy for us to assume it's that old.

Updated: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:56:29 UTC | #485969

Marcus Small's Avatar Comment 20 by Marcus Small

I have put this link on my Facebook page.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:45:35 UTC | #485970

medvejonok's Avatar Comment 21 by medvejonok

I'm curious whether the teacher would ever challenge his students to think enough to at least form a proper argument in support of their position. When the girl says in effect, "We had to have been put here by some supernatural thing. We can'tjust have evolved from such a simple organism," she is simply making an argument from incredulity, which is no argument at all.

If the teacher wishes to give a "fair shake" to both science and creationism, it seems to me he is duty-bound to at least to teach the students how to form a logically coherent argument. Otherwise, he's just giving religion a pass – equal time without equal standards.

Updated: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:00:54 UTC | #485971

bentleyd's Avatar Comment 22 by bentleyd

Blockquote"How could a black African have evolved from a white person? We have different skin!"

I thought these people believed in the literal interpretation of Genesis, where we all came from Adam & Eve?

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:02:29 UTC | #485972

bendigeidfran's Avatar Comment 23 by bendigeidfran

Comment 4 by Richard Dawkins

Do we still have races? What's the taxonomic vogue? I suppose the word's still useful. The Olympic 100m is an egg-and-spoon race if you're a cockney.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:38:14 UTC | #485980

PERSON's Avatar Comment 24 by PERSON

"I thought these people believed in the literal interpretation of Genesis, where we all came from Adam & Eve?" The literal interpretation? Is there a single literal interpretation of very much at all in the bible? Not that these guys even take it all literally. They pick and choose like everyone else, they just want an excuse to pick different stuff.

Racist southern christians often believe that Adam and Eve were white (sometimes they also believe that the real people of Israel are all white and I'd guess American, and the Jews are phoney usurpers) and that black skinned people are a consequence of God's curse on Cain for killing his brother.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:42:47 UTC | #485982

Corylus's Avatar Comment 25 by Corylus

Comment 22 by bentleyd :

Blockquote"How could a black African have evolved from a white person? We have different skin!"

I thought these people believed in the literal interpretation of Genesis, where we all came from Adam & Eve?

They do, however, The Curse of Ham (whose descendants supposedly populated Africa) has been interpreted as a darkening of the skin that happened post Adam and eve.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:49:50 UTC | #485984

PERSON's Avatar Comment 26 by PERSON

Comment 23 by bendigeidfran Trolling Richard again, bendi? You know damn well pretty much every form since 1985 or so has asked for "ethnic origin".

Comment 25 by Corylus Wikipedia's article on the Curse of Cain reckons both were used in theological arguments. More literalist consistency from fundies.

Updated: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 15:02:10 UTC | #485989

Marc Country's Avatar Comment 27 by Marc Country

These people should be required to re-take Junior High, and learn that level material, before they continue in High School.

Seriously, there's no excuse for this in the 21st century. Oh, that's right, this video is from the 20th...

Oh, and Dhamma, the teacher said "lumpers and splitters", not "lovers and splitters", FYI.

Updated: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 15:57:16 UTC | #485993

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 28 by mordacious1

Dhamma

Edit: I wish it was more clear in this article that it's a documentary from 1996, as someone mentioned on YT. Not easy for us to assume it's that old.

Yes, this clip has been bouncing around for some time. I'm sure that young lady in the red is a proud mother of 8 homeschooled kids, some fathered by close relatives perhaps. On weekends she takes her brood out to protest abortion clinics or gays. Life goes on in the South...

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 15:57:01 UTC | #485994

Hauntedchippy1's Avatar Comment 29 by Hauntedchippy1

This is what the new Tory "Free Schools" could end up being like.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:04:30 UTC | #485997

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 30 by Dhamma

Marc Country,

Gee, how embarrassing :) I really couldn't hear he was saying anything else and I hadn't heard about "lumpers and splitters" until I looked it up now. Being a non native English speaker is the only excuse I could give. Can't edit the post now, but I retract that statement.

Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:17:10 UTC | #486000