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Schrodinger's Cat's Avatar Comment 1 by Schrodinger's Cat

I laughed at the Post-Rapture pet services. The utterly ludicrous level of hypocrisy involved in a Christian paying to have dear little Fido kept in the safety of those nasty unbelievers who get left behind.

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:07:37 UTC | #629409

bertie wooster's Avatar Comment 2 by bertie wooster

These people should be tried in the criminal courts as the frauds they are. Yet it should never have reached such a stage if when first appearing within view, these charlatans would have been treated with suspicion, derision and contempt.

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:17:51 UTC | #629411

ajs261's Avatar Comment 3 by ajs261

I hear that the guy's Christian radio station received $18.3million in donations over the May 21st "rapture." Of which over $1million was spent on announcing it to the world. Who knows where the rest went! This should not be tax-exempt.

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:34:09 UTC | #629416

Karen Hill Anton's Avatar Comment 4 by Karen Hill Anton

Totally agree with you Richard, and share your irritation with these so-called journalists making light amusement of this. The grand and utter stupidity of this particular claim opens it up to worldwide ridicule. But Americans are regularly bilked in the millions (population and money) by religionists and no journalists report on or expose them. Ever.

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:35:31 UTC | #629417

Capt. Bloodeye's Avatar Comment 5 by Capt. Bloodeye

The followers should be pelted with rotten fruit, thoroughly ridculed and given the opportunity to purchase bridges. I too find this media response far too lenient. I expect that too much mockery would be avoided in the US due to the large crossover of belief between these imbeciles and mainstream believers. Helps them to avoid cognitive dissonance.

An amusing rapture fail video:

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:43:01 UTC | #629420

Capt. Bloodeye's Avatar Comment 6 by Capt. Bloodeye

The video:

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:43:21 UTC | #629421

Hellboy2's Avatar Comment 7 by Hellboy2

Frankly, if anyone continues to donate money into the evil coffers of these maniacs, well, they deserve all they get. How many times have the faith healers been publicly exposed? Peter Popov et al? And still, they manage to rake in millions from the fervent believers. Infuriating.

I feel sorry for the children of the Rapture believers today; you can imagine the fear and mental anguish they must be enduring from their parents, telling them that the Rapture happened but they weren't judged worthy by the lord to be taken.

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:44:29 UTC | #629422

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 8 by Nunbeliever

Well, in a sense I understand why they can't go all the way and call these unfortunate people lunatics. After all most Americans believe in the rapture themselves. It is a bit hard to laugh and point fingers at people who think the rapture would happen on May 21 while themselves believe the rapture is likely to occur within their own life-time. The followers of Harold Camping really aren't any more stupid than the average believer. They just happen to have a religious leader who is stupid enough to actually make his claims testable...

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:50:32 UTC | #629424

friendlypig's Avatar Comment 9 by friendlypig

Post Rapture Pet Care is run by Bart @ Atheist Camel and he doesn't give refunds!!

Sun, 22 May 2011 09:51:56 UTC | #629426

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 10 by AtheistEgbert

Here is a nice article about how believers are 'bewildered' that the rapture never happened. No shit?

Who knows how much unnecessary suffering, how much corruption was involved in this absurd stunt.

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:03:46 UTC | #629427

josephor's Avatar Comment 11 by josephor

I think the media response is nothing short of disgusting.These people are criminals and fraudsters and there is nothing funny about the damage they cause.They are just as dangerous and malicious as the scum that motivate suicide bombing in the name of their particular delusion. The press may find this amusing to laugh at the rapture freaks that are waiting for the rapture to happen, will we find it also amusing when these idiots try to make it happen!

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:09:16 UTC | #629428

Sofa King Cool's Avatar Comment 12 by Sofa King Cool

I read a story about a father here in the US who got in his minivan with his kids and drove from Maryland to California so they could all experience the rapture here. Were they expecting a better view? I wonder if Bill O' Reilly and Glenn Beck got together for a snuggle party as they awaited the rapture? I guess you can't fix stupid. Now the loons will go back to their basements and wait until 2012 to resurface and sell more t-shirts and "rapture kits". The news here is awful. I can't wait to see the news in 2012 when all of us are gripped by "Mayan Mania" or some other clever idea these oblivious broadcasters will come up with.

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:11:39 UTC | #629429

helen sotiriadis's Avatar Comment 13 by helen sotiriadis

this video goes on and on about how the business owners are atheists instead of focusing on camping and his kind who profit many millions of dollars and ruin too many lives. at least in the end, they mention how profits from many of these businesses are donated to charities.

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:19:55 UTC | #629433

weavehole's Avatar Comment 14 by weavehole

$1,000,000 just on advertising this nonsense, hey?

How many homes could he have helped to rebuild in Tohoku?

How many kids could he have restored the sight of in Africa?

How many years of funding into cancer or diabetes research could he have funded?

Fucking moron.

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:23:27 UTC | #629434

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 15 by Premiseless

In some respects this reflects how many people are poorly empirically educated about what it is to exist - be human.

The deceitful chaos the world foists upon next generations respecting what can be said to be clear and precise education almost guarantees this kind of rapturous theme park psychology will continue to grow exponentially. People gravitate towards it due their emotional 'loose ends' and 'intellectual confusions' having been to date poorly matched and improperly taught - in effect their goodwill to learn ritually abused either de facto their life circumstance or due the prevailing political/religious system coralling its people! These voids, anchoring after unfulfilled educational answers to their lifes angsts, all too easily fall prey to salesmen having studied exactly how to extract peoples vulnerabilities and further mislead their educational falsehoods or 'logical fallacies'. It takes much mistrust and cynicism on the part of an individual aware they are in such a 'blind spot' of life to ever find a course out of such thinking-feeling cycles. Even then it feels a failure due the scales falling from the eyes now helping one see how much one has missed on the journey to date - you cannot return to the start - you cannot relearn what you ought to be in the position of - you are de facto disabled to whatever it is one who hasn't had the misfortune to arrive at your juncture is spared the pain of. It's a nostalgic non existent that now confronts you and I think its why the subconscious in many people seek solace in anything that soothes such 'suspected losses and pains' in the mirage of their own subconscious. They half hypothesize and internalise the implications of their plight and seek deliverance from it - hating the very real truth that their whole life can have led to their inner reality having been fed a complete fiction!

And so the irony that one fiction supplants another and the delusions seeking new delusions perpetuates itself, since reality is so far removed from everything they have moulded their persona around. Very sad and very very abusive till it becomes self abusive and unconsciously so - kudos to our ancestry for that and what therefore gets passed on - which of course always escapes real trial. The affluent polluters of their own existence enjoy the luxuries of what the next generations will have to clean up and suffer the poisons of. Any vengeance or justice that be felt gets passed to ,most usually unsuitable targets and certainly ones which never get to the ringmaster or source or better still put in place a much more non-fiction network that might eventually overthrow the woo mongers. Multigenerational is the spin and for anyone wondering how to feed the minds of next generations before another emotional blight, psycho-famine or delusional response be in the offing, just look at the practical situation the world over. Ask yourself the question about how to feed and give health care to the present populations - therein are born the inexpert advisors and speculative quacks to take whatever the harvest permits their deceptions to reap the rewards of whilst the sufferers are powerless to the reality that enforces itself upon them and their offspring.

We who can do what we can, whether it be enough is up to the evolution of man.

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:29:51 UTC | #629436

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 16 by Richard Dawkins

Comment 10 by AtheistEgbert :

Here is a nice article about how believers are 'bewildered' that the rapture never happened. No shit?

Who knows how much unnecessary suffering, how much corruption was involved in this absurd stunt.

The BBC article you refer to tells us that some of Camping's followers "said the delay was a further test from God to persevere in their faith." Is there literally no limit to the stupidity that religion is capable of drawing upon?


PS Nice comment by Bateleur on the Guardian website:

I was really, really looking forward to The Rapture. The average IQ of the world would have gone up by a massive amount, maybe as much as 50 points.

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:34:02 UTC | #629437

Rodger T's Avatar Comment 17 by Rodger T

From an article in the New Zealand Herald on the up coming rapture event, warning disconnect irony meter,

Auckland Catholic Church spokeswoman Lyndsay Freer told NZPA church attendance had not increased at all since Camping's warnings.

She described his prediction as "scaremongering nonsense", that had nothing to do with scripture.

"We're not superstitious here."

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:35:04 UTC | #629438

weavehole's Avatar Comment 18 by weavehole

I was really, really looking forward to The Rapture. The average IQ of the world would have gone up by a massive amount, maybe as much as 50 points.

Isn't average IQ always 100?

Apologies for the pedantry, I'm still a bit miffed that I didn't get raptured. I was really looking forward to hanging out of the back of 72 fine young maidens, as was my understanding of said event.

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:47:34 UTC | #629446

Teg's Avatar Comment 19 by Teg

I am dubious about the claim that the shysters are "usually atheists." You don't have to be an atheist to believe these rapture-nuts are totally insane. It certainly seems calculated to promote the idea that atheists have no ethics.

Sun, 22 May 2011 10:49:47 UTC | #629449

Crazycharlie's Avatar Comment 20 by Crazycharlie

A few post Armageddon thoughts from an American atheist..

The American media establishment is careful to treat religion with kid cloves for fear of offending the average faithful citizen. There were probably millions of religious Americans who were, along with the rest of us, making fun of that shit Camping and his deluded followers but at the same time, those same millions are themselves Christians who really believe that maybe all this end of the world stuff will eventually happen, just not on May 21st, 2011. The average Christian shouldn't laugh though, Jesus was the original crack-pot apocalypticist who started all this nonsense. The media, instead of being critical like it should, will only make light of it. Some obvious questions they could ask Harold Camping.

Now that you've been wrong for a second time do you feel foolish, guilty, stupid, or do you even care?

Do you do this not only for financial gain but also because you crave attention?

How much money do you personally get from your organization?

What are your thoughts about the pathetic people who've wasted so much of not only their own, but also in many cases, their family's time and money?

I doubt these questions will be asked enough.

Ah well, it's another beautiful May morning in the land of deluded. It's the end of the world and I feel fine.

Sun, 22 May 2011 11:01:46 UTC | #629453

hemidemisemigod's Avatar Comment 21 by hemidemisemigod

There are lots of ways to make money from the religious. All it takes is small donations from a suitably large congregation.

For instance you could set up a website selling medallions of patron saints. You could a assign a saint to every conceivable problem or woe (e.g. diabeties, poverty, breast cancer, sterility, etc.).

These items could be cheap to manufacture but sold at quite a profit due to their perceived magical properties (for best results have them blessed).

Then you could... oh wait, someone's beaten me to it. Damn!

Sun, 22 May 2011 11:04:14 UTC | #629454

Vaal's Avatar Comment 22 by Vaal

Weavehole. It was over $100 million that was spent on advertising this lunatic charlatan’s claptrap. How much science could do with that money? What a tragedy these huge sums couldn't have gone towards education, towards benefiting mankind, rather than being flushed down the toilet-hole of human credulity.

Interestingly enough though, in litigation-crazed US, Camping may be in serious trouble should any members of his death-cult decide to sue him after squandering their life savings on his mad ravings.

As Richard has remarked, the fawning tongue-in-cheek attitude of the American media is disheartening. These fools should be ridiculed as the snake-oil salesmen they are. Many vulnerable people’s lives are irreparably damaged by these repellent quacks.

Richard, you have hit the nail on the head. These people are not daft. Religion is a huge cash-cow, especially in the US. As Ron L Hubbard (the founder of Scientology) commented “If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.” Personally, I would like to see all religion taxed. Hit them where it really hurts, in the pocket.

Sun, 22 May 2011 11:04:44 UTC | #629455

Hellboy2's Avatar Comment 23 by Hellboy2

RE; comment 10 AtheistEgbert.

Yes, and isn't it telling that Camping has not been seen since the non-event? Callers to his Family Radio have had e-mails and calls ignored. Of course they have, what did they think would happen after they had fallen for a conman and his hired mob? Camping is probably laughing his false teeth out at the amount of zeros on his bank statement! These 'prophets' really should start to be prosecuted under the trades description act at least.

Sun, 22 May 2011 11:30:04 UTC | #629460

Premiseless's Avatar Comment 24 by Premiseless

My overwhelming tendency is to be either instinctively or due indoctrination pacifist. Previously only extreme situations of confrontation were ones I thought might require a different response but I must say the following hypothetical situation tests my position:

Suppose you lived on an island where absolute rationality prevailed and one day a family of delusionally 'loving' theists arrived. What actions would you take, now knowing the plight of the world due this influence over past centuries?

Are you letting in a consciousness virus from which there be no guaranteed immunity - especially for the more imprintable younger generations (due their higher likelihood to digest superstitious and imaginary fears they are then likely to conceal - a kind of fear of fear inhibition)?

What is your 'inner response' to what in all reality may appear a 'loving, pleasant and caring family"? And what is your reasoned response?

One begins to consider the bizarre nature of human consciousness when fear of theism takes on shades of the unconscious mantle one might reserve for the ruthless criminal. Theisms influence is seductively wired to toleration rather than crime but in effect does it have any less damaging a potential?

Sun, 22 May 2011 11:33:59 UTC | #629461

TheRationalizer's Avatar Comment 25 by TheRationalizer

Watch this video: The rapture claimed victims

Poor people.

Sun, 22 May 2011 11:53:03 UTC | #629465

jbkaffe's Avatar Comment 26 by jbkaffe

From the BBC article:

"I was hoping for it because I think heaven would be a lot better than this Earth," said Mr Bauer, a tractor-trailer driver, who took the week off work for the voyage.

That pretty much sums it up.

I feel sorry for these rapture-nuts' kids...odds are they'll be just as messed up...

Sun, 22 May 2011 11:59:32 UTC | #629466

jbkaffe's Avatar Comment 27 by jbkaffe

Sun, 22 May 2011 12:02:23 UTC | #629467

Labukhd's Avatar Comment 28 by Labukhd

Well, treating this the way it's treated is perhaps the fastest way to stop people from believing it. It might be cruel to say so, especially, that apart from conned gullible idiots, it's also their children who suffer - their families will have less money to spend on healthy food, education, etc. & they get abused by indoctrination. So, I agree, that morally it's wrong to treat these charlatans and their con-schemes with such levity. But... giving these "prophecies" such a huge (and light-hearted) publicity might make more people (never all, unfortunately) realize what a pile BS they are and next time one those crooks tries the trick again, the reaction "Oh, another one..." will be more prevalent (much like with "Nigerian bankers/ousted presidents"). Besides, the world-wide public embarrassment and ridicule the duped ones now have to go through is probably a more effective deterrent than legal actions (which, of course, would be called "persecution" and might lead to more followers donating more money to save their "spiritual leader"). It sounds cruel, I know, but...

Sun, 22 May 2011 12:06:57 UTC | #629469

asdi's Avatar Comment 29 by asdi

I am sorry for their loss specially their children. What a waste of time anzd resources. I can't get what this old pastor will do with all this money when he has couple of years to live by.

Sun, 22 May 2011 12:08:55 UTC | #629470

littletrotsky13's Avatar Comment 30 by littletrotsky13

In short Premiseless: Make sure everyone understands why it's incorrect and what the negative influences are. Especially explain this to the children (consider those actions to be a form of immunity).

What I won't understand, considering the litigation culture in the USA, is if no one tries to sue him to get their money back.

Sun, 22 May 2011 12:10:11 UTC | #629471