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Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 1 by Cook@Tahiti

Drinking game: have a sip when a meaningless phrase is spoken

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:18:24 UTC | #635266

pagan83's Avatar Comment 2 by pagan83

Classic example of trying to baffle brains with bullshit.

My ears are bleeding! That man managed to talk for over half an hour without actually saying anything, but he throws in a lot of 'scientific' words and phrases to try to make his argument sound valid.

It was like listening to micky mouse trying to argue with Einstien against the theory of relativity.

Professor Myers is indeed the epitiome of patience in this video, it's scary how blind to logic people can become !

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:33:06 UTC | #635273

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 3 by Nunbeliever

Damn what an UTTERLY irritating person (not PZ)... He has to be breaking some law! It can't be legal to be that stupid, ignorant and outright irritating. I have met so many of these self-righteous religious idiots who think they have found something truelly original and ingenious... while just repeating the same stupid old non-sequiturs.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:38:13 UTC | #635275

MilitantNonStampCollector's Avatar Comment 4 by MilitantNonStampCollector

I could only get through 7 minutes of this. I like listening to PZ but could no longer bear to listen to that idiot's rapid fire verbal diarrhea – just vomit-inducing.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:39:50 UTC | #635279

craine's Avatar Comment 5 by craine

Maryam Namazie's response to the rather obtuse commenter at 29:30 was a brilliant rebuttal and so too were the responses of several audience members. It was very satisfying to hear his tactics be so plainly dismantled and the preposterous nature of his comparisons highlighted. How irritating, yet predictable, that that portion of the video is absent.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:54:11 UTC | #635284

helen sotiriadis's Avatar Comment 6 by helen sotiriadis

how utterly awful -- i'm halfway through and falling asleep. (and it's only 3pm).

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:57:38 UTC | #635286

helen sotiriadis's Avatar Comment 7 by helen sotiriadis

oh ffs i give up.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:04:29 UTC | #635289

Metamag's Avatar Comment 8 by Metamag

Poor PZ..

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:23:25 UTC | #635300

ridelo's Avatar Comment 9 by ridelo

That Muslim guy talks too quick for me. Such discussions should be put in writing. Then it was easier to see what garbage is pouring out. Monopolising a discussion isn't an honest way of debating. The question is: why are they so afraid to revise their ideas? Scientists are doing it all the time. Come up with the evidence and I'm your man. Ready for the circumcision.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:27:02 UTC | #635302

DoctorChristian's Avatar Comment 10 by DoctorChristian

Well I managed to watch the whole thing right up to the end, when RD himself is accosted outside the hall.

I have a different opinion from the commenters so far. I found the Islamic guys to be quite sophisticated in their argumentation techniques and VERY articulate. They were not idiots at all (delusional religious maniacs yes, stupid, no). To tackle them effectively you would have to be quite well educated in a range of areas and as articulate as they are (luckily PZ and the other participants in this farcical video were).

I was quite impressed with their efforts relatively speaking - I think they are in a different league from the Muslim people I know, even quite educated ones.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:27:03 UTC | #635303

Alovrin's Avatar Comment 11 by Alovrin

So apparently Richard called Tzortis a fuckwit and declined a "polite" request for an interview. Good call!

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:29:23 UTC | #635304

Flapjack's Avatar Comment 12 by Flapjack

There is a school of thought which says never debate with an idiot as onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

I'm agnostic on that, but when the opposite side won't let you get a word in edgeways and is immune to empirical evidence and will maintain their self satisfied grin even after they've technically lost on every rational point there's a pretty stong case for it.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:35:50 UTC | #635305

Marc Country's Avatar Comment 13 by Marc Country

Allah is a false god, and Muhammad was his false prophet. Peace.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:35:54 UTC | #635306

jel's Avatar Comment 14 by jel

I went out to have a look at what these people had on display earlier in the day. What a pathetic bunch of rubbish it was. There was nothing on their stall that was new, there was nothing that actually proved anything (the man with the red underpants was classic drivel). They had a dvd with the title "is life better without religion?" I pointed at it and said "YES".

Strange how they don't show any of the responses to that really boring tirade towards Maryam.

When was Richard overheard calling anyone a fuckwit, is there any corroboration of that claim? If not, that's libel. And a big thank you to the person that interrupted this and gave Richard the chance to get away, I don't know who you are and I didn't meet you at the conf. but you are a hero, well done.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:38:17 UTC | #635308

Metamag's Avatar Comment 15 by Metamag

Comment 9 by ridelo :

That Muslim guy talks too quick for me. Such discussions should be put in writing.Then it was easier to see what garbage is pouring out.

Exactly, this goes for every debate, but this was just immediately recognizable garbage.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:50:59 UTC | #635311

Vicktor's Avatar Comment 16 by Vicktor

Richard and PZ could have easily shut the Muslims up with one question and one question only.

"Could you please explain why it is compulsory for Muslims to perform all their daily prayers?"

I think the atheist bystanders who decided to chime in on both Richard and PZ were on the right track by asking difficult questions about what Islam actually entails. You could see the Muslims didn't like where it was going.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:52:10 UTC | #635313

sbooder's Avatar Comment 17 by sbooder

I think this is the same guy spewing the same philosobabble against Michael Nugent

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:52:32 UTC | #635314

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 18 by AtheistEgbert

A few years ago, I used to regularly debate various believers on a certain talk client. Most Christians were stupid (sorry but that's a fact), particularly the creationists, but the Muslims were a whole different ballgame of stupid. I remember one telling me that if there was no God, then why didn't the sky fall down?

I gave all that up, and moved on. I watched a few minutes of the clip, but it's the same mentality I came across in my debate days. It might be new and shocking to some, and so welcome to the world of stupid.

(Note: Yes atheists can be stupid too, if you want me to be extra PC.)

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:53:36 UTC | #635315

William33's Avatar Comment 19 by William33

I HATE these types of discussions.

It would be great if videos could be posted with a written version of what happened and what was said.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:04:31 UTC | #635321

Dave H's Avatar Comment 20 by Dave H

The looks on PZ's face alone make it worth watching. So precious. The Muslims might have done the most talking, but it was like watching someone blowing up balloon after balloon with hot air, only to have PZ (and AronRa) stick a pin in each one with a few choice phrases.

This video is more than an example of underhanded debating tactics. It is an example of 1) the unmistakable resemblance between religious belief and insanity and 2) the way in which hubris doesn't stand a chance against a few small facts, politely stated. The Muslims lost not only the logical argument, but the politeness contest as well.

I find it astonishing (and thankful) that the iera are publishing this video to further the Muslim cause. It only shows them for the complete obliviots they are.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:07:35 UTC | #635322

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 21 by Stafford Gordon

BABBLEGAB! What a wonderful word; roll on my first opportunity to employ it; I don't think it'll be long!

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:09:03 UTC | #635323

Metamag's Avatar Comment 22 by Metamag

Wow, look at the comments on that youtube video, unbelievable. It's like nothing was said at all...

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:14:06 UTC | #635326

weavehole's Avatar Comment 23 by weavehole

At one point, AronRa joined in and mentioned that the story of Noah's ark occurs in the Koran. This was promptly denied by one of the Muslim spokesman, and AronRa graciously climbed down over that one point, though not his main one. But I think he was wrong to climb down. The story of Noah's Ark is in the Koran, exactly as he said. The Muslim was lying, as faith-heads so often do, presumably again in an attempt to wrong-foot.

He says "The Koran doesn't talk about the Great Flood either". If one was being charitable he may be the sort of apologist who takes the Koran's lack of devotion to clarity to mean that it was a local flood not a world-wide one. Spuriouser and spuriouser.

He comes across as educated and intelligent (although he also reminds me of someone with self-esteem issues and half a gram of cocaine up his nose in his desperate clamour to be the only voice heard mingled with occasional apologies and faux-deference) but you've got to be really stupid to think that someone who eventually ruled all of Arabia with all its assorted trade routes couldn't have come up with (or appropriated) everything that is in the Quran.

Especially as it took twenty flipping three years to write.


Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:17:01 UTC | #635328

healthphysicist's Avatar Comment 24 by healthphysicist

I didn't watch the whole thing, just the first 5 minutes.

I wish, regarding causation, PZ had said something like the Universe was caused by quantum fluctuations. Where did the quantum fluctuations come from? Nothing.


God = Nothing

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:17:21 UTC | #635329

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 25 by rod-the-farmer

What a waste of intelligence. Very articulate, obviously well educated, and yet spouts nonsense. He could be a person of some importance in his community, if he were to become rational.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:21:51 UTC | #635333

Metamag's Avatar Comment 26 by Metamag

People, go to the youtube comment section of that video, seriously.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:25:29 UTC | #635337

Mumbo-Jumbo's Avatar Comment 27 by Mumbo-Jumbo

The apologists were intelligent, polite, articulate and hopelessly indoctrinated. Behold the effects of mental child abuse.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:28:52 UTC | #635339

danconquer's Avatar Comment 28 by danconquer

What pretentious, pseudo-intellectual gibberish. However, it was all masked by a weirdly stylised use of English, one that might play particularly well with people for whom it is not their first language. It was like listening to one of those slick management consultants from the financial services industry, spewing out a superficially clever-sounding stream of rhetoric, but one that defies any meaningful analysis. But it will create the required impression of confident wisdom amongst their legions of lesser-educated followers, so 'job done' from their point of view.

Anyway, Richard was right to walk away when he did. Even if one was able to digest and accept their flannel about physics and biology, how possibly does this then lead to absolute and non-negotiable requirements to: Mutilate the genitals of all boys (and possibly girls); not come into contact with alcohol; not eat an arbitrary list of meat products; avoid putting your penis into a anus; refuse to touch dogs; refusing to shave... and so on, ad nauseum, most of which are unique only to their particular brand of supernaturalism.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:31:11 UTC | #635341

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 29 by Dhamma


I just tried to add a comment, but as one would assume looking at the comments so far, they don't take lightly on people disagreeing with them. These are fraudulent people. They master the art of deceitful debating skills, but it goes no further.

I'm not a fan of these live debates as they are rarely illuminative, and are far more about debating skills, as if god would somehow turn into existence if they 'win'. But they are, at the same time, very accessible, and it's far more likely people watch debates rather than read them.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:36:21 UTC | #635343

bendigeidfran's Avatar Comment 30 by bendigeidfran

That was great fun. And that they published it is even funnier.

Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:37:50 UTC | #635344