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-TheCodeCrack-'s Avatar Comment 1 by -TheCodeCrack-

Christians keep violating the American constitution, then people defend the constitution to the letter; the defense of the constitution is then held-up as an example of Christianity being under attack.

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:24:29 UTC | #894276

KRKBAB's Avatar Comment 2 by KRKBAB

How I love the depth and scope of the subject. Three minutes and 22 seconds worth!

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:26:04 UTC | #894278

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 3 by Neodarwinian

As usual, when one points our the regulation, in this case 165-1, the christain religious scream " we are attacked unfairly ", when what they really mean is " we want unfair advantage. "

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:46:32 UTC | #894284

Starcrash's Avatar Comment 4 by Starcrash

sigh He's playing the victim card. He names an earlier argument, the one over the crossbeam found at Ground Zero, in order to make her appear like she's just a tyrant (as if she was also responsible for the controversy over that). Can't he just stick to the issue at hand?

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:48:19 UTC | #894286

glenister_m's Avatar Comment 5 by glenister_m

I notice he got to speak first, interrupt her during her one chance to talk, then speak again at the end. I don't watch FOX news, but I gather this is their idea of a fair and balanced debate.

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:10:03 UTC | #894293

ZenDruid's Avatar Comment 6 by ZenDruid

When I was stationed in Turkey, and later on in the Sandbox, it was prohibited to display any religious symbol on buildings. Chapels were called 'morale centers' and the like. Upshot is, on Islamic turf these symbols are not appropriate, and the DoD made it official policy. Whoever put the cross up, and whoever allowed it to stay up, were in violation.

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:18:31 UTC | #894295

mattyohe's Avatar Comment 7 by mattyohe

Sheesh, what a short "debate". Reminds me of a Hitch comment after a short segment with Bill O'Reilly: "We barely got our trousers´╗┐ off."

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:35:36 UTC | #894299

genjokoan's Avatar Comment 8 by genjokoan

If your faith is so weak that you need a cross to feel warm and fuzzy ...

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:46:25 UTC | #894301

Achamian's Avatar Comment 9 by Achamian

Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster! The Fox host actually stopped the God-bot from interrupting the atheist. Progress!

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:35:46 UTC | #894314

Michael Gray's Avatar Comment 10 by Michael Gray

Priests are parasites, in both the metaphorical and literal sense. Do you not expect them to fight thoroughly mendaciously and outrageously dishonestly when cornered, and their cozy way-of-life is threatened by such inconvenient stuff, such as 'facts', 'reality' and 'law'? Infantile lies are their stock-in-trade, and they know no other method of defence.

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:09:37 UTC | #894340

Quine's Avatar Comment 11 by Quine

Of course they are not going to give her enough time to explain how non-believers are coerced into marking "Christian" on the enlistment forms (thus inflating their stats), and how, once enlisted, they are given the weekly choice between attending Chapel or pulling extra cleaning duty.

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:53:46 UTC | #894371

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 12 by Nunbeliever

A cross on the wall keeps soldiers going??? If religious symbols are so important to christian soldiers then they are free to have their own personal symbols that can give them comfort. They are free to have a personal bible. These arguments are just stupid excuses. No, it's not enough for them to be able to practice their personal faith. They want symbols of THEIR faith all over the place. Damn bigots!

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:10:54 UTC | #894378

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 13 by Cartomancer

Surely the existence of chaplains AT ALL is a violation of the wall of separation? "Chaplain" is not another word for "guidance counsellor", it's a specifically religious (specificially christian) term, derived from the Latin capellanus, meaning something like chapel-keeper.

Also, why are these people necessary? Surely spending the money that is paid for chaplaincy services on more equipment or more soldiers (or even, shock horror, on something other than America's already obscenely bloated war machine) would be a much better idea?

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:46:11 UTC | #894386

Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 14 by Rich Wiltshir

The religoon is right; "....it says more about christians...."

It's not an honest path to life, is it?

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:13:45 UTC | #894392

GPWC's Avatar Comment 15 by GPWC

It's a pity someone from the military wasn't there to make the case against the cross. They could even have been a christian, but they would have had to defend the regulations on the obvious grounds of fairness for all woo and non-woo thought. Having someone from MAAF made it seem like it was a MAAF initiative to get the cross removed.

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:07 UTC | #894396

drumdaddy's Avatar Comment 16 by drumdaddy

Sekulow is a Brooklyn Jew making some bank for himself. With his big brother Jay, who is more spawn of Regent University which actually teaches courses on how to inject religion into government, they have made quite a niche for themselves in the ever-crumbling hokum apologist business. Sick, but organized. We have work to do.

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:44:38 UTC | #894409

andersemil's Avatar Comment 17 by andersemil

How ironic that his last name is Seku-low... I'll get my coat.

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:52:50 UTC | #894422

Philoctetes                                        's Avatar Comment 18 by Philoctetes

Broadening the debate slightly, given that this is Afghanistan and that the enemy is the Taliban who have a reputation of religious intolerance and exclusivity, isn't a non islamic symbol more likely to be a target for munitions more than a comforter of souls?

Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:41:23 UTC | #894434

TobySaunders's Avatar Comment 19 by TobySaunders

It was obscene to give that guy a say in the debate.

Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:47:56 UTC | #894565

bigandrewm's Avatar Comment 20 by bigandrewm

Honestly, it seemed to me like that Jordan did a better job than what many posters here think. Not from a purely logical point of view, but from an argumentative point of view, intended to sway viewers. While relying a lot on non-relevant information and arguments, he simply threw more darts at the dart board, and did so with conviction. He seemed better prepared than MSG (ret.) Johnson.

Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:03:04 UTC | #894588

Vorlund's Avatar Comment 21 by Vorlund

Sekulow is a gobshite, a typical religio who thinks winning a debate is interrupting and talking over the other party when it just shows him to be the ignoramus he and his ilke really are.

Thu, 01 Dec 2011 07:47:18 UTC | #894625

Alan4discussion's Avatar Comment 22 by Alan4discussion

Comment 12 by Nunbeliever

A cross on the wall keeps soldiers going???

Sorry, but I could not help sharing the image which came to mind!!

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Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:47:17 UTC | #896170

Secular Sceptic's Avatar Comment 23 by Secular Sceptic

Heat score!

Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:37:23 UTC | #912628

Rawhard Dickins's Avatar Comment 24 by Rawhard Dickins

We have a very lifelike model of a semi-mangled Jesus hanging by nails through his hands on a cross at the front of a church on a local major road.

I suppose it's there to promote sympathy for their cause and frighten little children into believing that Jesus was some sort of superman that could shrug off this sort of mere bodily abuse, and rise to jolly-well thumb his nose at the folk and tell everyone that his dad was bigger then their dad and not to be messed with.

If this were anything other than a religious symbol, I suspect the church in question would have been ordered to take it down on grounds of decency and the possibility of distracting passing drivers.

I personally dislike it partly because of its rather gruesome appearance, but perhaps mainly because I still remember that I was once won over by this religious blackmailing. Perhaps it might just inadvertently topple over and break on a windy night, heaven forbid!

Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:37:43 UTC | #918926

James Smith's Avatar Comment 25 by James Smith

Christians always play the persecution cars whenever they are prevented from persecuting others.

Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:06:15 UTC | #951250