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Peter Grant's Avatar Comment 1 by Peter Grant

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CPUHBREHyKg Doing Good...Without God

Love THETHINKINGATHEIST

Yay, looks like I can comment again. Thanks Mods! :D

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:20:01 UTC | #933879

adiroth's Avatar Comment 2 by adiroth

Uuh, it's good that some needy people will get something out of this, but I don't think donating this once-off just to show theists that we can is such well thought out plan.

Without a long term plan & vision, this will only become an exercise of secular ego stroking & it would just fizzle out. We're just going to feed some poor folks for a day. To some of the program's recepients it might've meant live or death, or it could've made a whole world of difference, but in the long run, this campaign won't be able to make significant difference. Additionally, it wouldn't make an effective PR tool for secularism or atheism either, because after receiving aid from those secular organisation, those religious aid groups could just cut in & set up their bread for prayers ponzi schemes. The recepients would end up becoming religious anyway because there are no religious obligations or restrictions set by the secular aid groups. Personally, I hope the latter wouldn't be the greatest factor inspiring the donations.

In my opinion, if we are going down the charity donations route, then we should at least be prepared to make it work by maintaining a steady flow of fund so that a lasting change can be made. We should have a yearly donation drive or something like it if we want to affect some real change.

Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:53:14 UTC | #933893

KRKBAB's Avatar Comment 3 by KRKBAB

Comment 2 by adiroth- I see a whole lot of talk about "we". Are you part of "we"? Instead of just saying that The Thinking Atheist's proposal isn't going to be a panacea, why don't you yourself contact The Thinking Atheist, or anybody for that matter and organize this wonderful idea of yours, instead of saying what won't work.

Every damn time someone goes out of their way to actually do something, there's always a host of people like you criticizing it because it's not perfect.

People doing things instead of armchair suggestions should be applauded and looked up to.

Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:28:18 UTC | #934048

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 4 by Stafford Gordon

It's a very appealing video, but has the idea been thought through thoroughly enough? I don't know.

When ever I'm reminded of such stricken people and places I'm put in mind of Norman Borlaug's work all that time ago, and what a tragedy it is that so little has been made of it.

Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:36:06 UTC | #934084

kev_s's Avatar Comment 5 by kev_s

In support of comment #2, I'm sure charities prefer a steady income therefore some kind of regular contribution is certainly better than a 'one-off', but any contribution is better than nothing and raising awareness through a video like this with a specific target is one way to make a difference. I did not read comment #2 as saying you shouldn't contribute to this, only that a regular contribution would be better, and I agree with that. However I'm not sure we should worry about religious groups 'stepping in' ... you have to trust that the people running the charities know how to manage their own PR. And even if the religious do step in and make converts of the beneficiaries of secular aid, I'd rather have those people alive and religious than dead and secular.

Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:47:29 UTC | #934087

Nordic11's Avatar Comment 6 by Nordic11

You guys keep forgetting your own philosophy. There is no such thing as good or evil so you can't do good.

Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:42:06 UTC | #934470

Quine's Avatar Comment 7 by Quine

Comment 6 by Nordic11:
You guys keep forgetting your own philosophy. There is no such thing as good or evil so you can't do good.

Only if you restrict to "absolute good." We can always make things better in one generally recognized way or another.

Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:13:27 UTC | #934473

JHJEFFERY's Avatar Comment 8 by JHJEFFERY

Comment 6 by Nordic11

You guys keep forgetting your own philosophy

Gee. Thanks. We finally hear from an expert on our own philosophy. I was beginning to think none of us were smart enough to even spell filosophy.

Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:38:39 UTC | #934505

Mark Jones's Avatar Comment 9 by Mark Jones

Comment 6 by Nordic11

You guys keep forgetting your own philosophy. There is no such thing as good or evil so you can't do good.

And yet, if god exists, evil must be for the best?

Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:14:44 UTC | #934508

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 10 by Tyler Durden

Comment 6 by Nordic11 :

You guys keep forgetting your own philosophy. There is no such thing as good or evil so you can't do good.

Nordic, for the umpteeth time... oh, why bother. Stupid is as stupid does.

Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:47:08 UTC | #934516

CdnMacAtheist's Avatar Comment 11 by CdnMacAtheist

I just added my donation to this, knowing that it's actually going to supply unpolluted water while not polluting children's minds. Every bit helps those less fortunate, whether they are short of clean water or real knowledge. T.T.A. has also helped my journey through life through his work, so I support his project.

Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:35:32 UTC | #934544

Disciple of the Teapot's Avatar Comment 12 by Disciple of the Teapot

Yes, non-believers and secularists should do more, when someone makes a step in the right direction we shouldn't then sneer at it and refuse to support it because it isn't good enough. Everything has to start somewhere.

If you think that "we" should donate regularly then donate regularly, it isn't difficult.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:41:26 UTC | #934828

Zeuglodon's Avatar Comment 13 by Zeuglodon

Comment 6 by Nordic11

You guys keep forgetting your own philosophy. There is no such thing as good or evil so you can't do good.

Ah, so apparently not believing in some invisible superconsciousness means I don't believe in pain, pleasure, moral conscience, reciprocity, empathy, compassion, emotion and sentience, consciousness, logical thinking, and moral instincts, now does it? So not only are you ignorant of what atheism actually means, but you're woefully untutored in basic moral philosophy. Talk about killing your own two birds with one stone.

Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:48:54 UTC | #934935

GeeBee's Avatar Comment 14 by GeeBee

We have been sponsoring a Rwandan child through World Vision Australia for many years, and that will come to an end soon as she turns 18. We would like to start supporting a secular charity instead, so I am grateful to The Thinking Atheist for making me aware of these two. :)

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:07:58 UTC | #935165

daggad's Avatar Comment 15 by daggad

Doing evil...with God

In his trial today Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik said the following when asked if he is religious:

  • Some say that there are no Ateists in the trenches, and I think that is very correct. When you know that you are going to perform a suicidemission you become religious, said Breivik and told he was drawn more towards the Catholic church than the Protestant.
  • Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:58:26 UTC | #935207

    Katy Cordeth's Avatar Comment 16 by Katy Cordeth

    Some say that there are no Ateists in the trenches, and I think that is very correct. When you know that you are going to perform a suicidemission you become religious, said Breivik and told he was drawn more towards the Catholic church than the Protestant.

    Presumably this may mean that Breivik could have been visited in prison by a Catholic priest who has already absolved him of his crimes before his trial has even properly begun. Perhaps this is why Breivik said that he doesn't recognise the authority of the Norwegian court to judge his actions: if the prison chaplain has told him that everything is copacetic with God.

    By the way, are we allowed to talk about this on a discussion site while the case is sub judice?

    Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:26:39 UTC | #935214

    achromat666's Avatar Comment 17 by achromat666

    Nordic, you've been on a bit of a tear of late, but this is simply insulting.

    You guys keep forgetting your own philosophy. There is no such thing as good or evil so you can't do good.

    Good and evil are abstracts that don't exist outside of human perspective, and are not reliant on religious belief to exist. I, as I won't speak for all athiests as you seem content to, do not accept the notion of an absolute of a human construct (good and evil). What form of life besides humans even makes such a disticntion based on their actions? Working for the common good on the other hand are actions beneficial to society as well as those we care about. Caring about others is not exclusively theistic (and the same is true of doing harmful things to others), which appears to be the point you're trying to relay.

    Not to mention that people all over the world do work for the common and societal good without need for faith or doctrinal authority, and have for centuries. So to insinuate that we (atheists) cannot do good because it does not fit our collective ideals is once again misinformed at its base.

    The golden rule as an example is not a purely religious idea, it has been part of societies for far longer than the quote from the NT, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

    Perhaps being something of a regular here you should spend time actually asking questions about why the non religious do what they do rather than assume a position and post based on your skewed perception of it.

    Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:44:38 UTC | #935221

    Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 18 by Ignorant Amos

    Comment 16 by katy Cordeth

    ...."copacetic".....

    Word of the day, thank you.

    Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:19:47 UTC | #935229

    No Kidding Man's Avatar Comment 19 by No Kidding Man

    The video is not there any longer. It gives error message that it was removed by the user.

    Sat, 05 May 2012 19:12:56 UTC | #939952